ChrisD16v
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i work in an oil refinery, the blockades dont work cos weneva they have 1 the police just turn up n start arrestin people, quite funny too watch though
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ainsley_brader
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Registered: 24th Mar 02
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Its fifteen miles to the nearest train station for me would you walk there?
Its ten miles to where i work would you bike everyday?
The bus runs along that route once a week. I kid you not!
A car isnt a commodity in the countryside its a necessity!
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Tiesto
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Simple solution. Reduce tax on petrol and raise taxes on both alcohol & fags.
As petrol is something that everyone needs, not fags and alcohol.
Which in turn might decrease costs in both policing and health sector.
[Edited on 07-09-2005 by Tiesto]
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corsa_fella
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fookin fairplay tiesto, up the cost for the things that kill us, so itl save lives and our money in the long run!
whys petrol so exapensive here but yet so cheap in the states?
i say thats a blinding solution, up the tax on alcohol and fags,and porn,and chocolate and have dirt cheap fuel!
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ainsley_brader
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tax chocolate theres a good idea!
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StuartVRS
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yet again, everyone moaning about petrol prices. Yet again, people vote labour back in. When will people learn, it isnt going to work. You block the fuel refinerys, the country will lose money. Taxes go up elsewhere, people will go bankrupt, recession all over again.
If you wanna moan, use your vote and get a new government in. Might not solve it completely, but anything is better than labour.
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broster
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Well had to drag this topic back up.
taken from BBC News
"Organisers of the 2000 fuel protest, which caused severe disruption when refineries were blocked, say they will act again if fuel tax is not cut.
Fuel Lobby made the announcement as the price of unleaded petrol rose to more than £1 a litre in parts of the UK as a result of Hurricane Katrina.
The group says all UK refineries will be blocked from 0600 BST on 14 September unless price cuts are made.
The Treasury said cutting tax would not solve the problem of high oil prices.
'Inadvertent rises'
A week-long campaign of picketing refineries and depots by thousands of hauliers and farmers in 2000 caused major shortages and was thought to have cost British business £1bn.
There was panic buying of fuel and even food during the week-long protest.
Fuel Lobby spokesman Andrew Spence said protesters were prepared to recreate that campaign.
"Every time the fuel companies have raised the price of fuel, taxation inadvertently has risen with it.
"If we don't do something now then when does it stop? £1.10? £1.20? £1.30?
"When does the country have to stand up and say, 'look, come on, this is too much Mr Blair'?"
US priority
But a Treasury spokesman said that road fuel duty on the main types of petrol and diesel were lower than they were six years ago.
We believe the biggest priority in terms of reducing fuel costs must be working with the American government to restore production levels affected by the Hurricane Katrina disaster," he said.
"We must also maintain pressure on [the oil producers' cartel] Opec to set their oil production at levels consistent with more stable and sustainable prices.
"More than half the fuel used in the UK bears little or no fuel duty at all... so seeking to address the problem of high oil prices through road fuel duty alone would do nothing for the majority of consumers."
The average price of normal unleaded petrol in Britain went up by more than two pence over the weekend, to 94.6 pence per litre.
The rise came after oil refineries in the US were knocked out by Hurricane Katrina."
Where The Money Goes
UK petrol prices have soared again, breaking through the £1-a-litre barrier in some places, only days after reaching 90p.
The effect of rising summer oil prices has now been compounded by fears of fuel shortages caused by Hurricane Katrina in the US, where much of its oil production has been crippled.
Yet production costs account for only a fraction of the price paid by motorists, as this breakdown of the cost of a 90p litre illustrates.
How The UK Compares
UK petrol prices remain among the highest in Europe, with fuel duty responsible for a large chunk of the cost.
But that does not tell the whole story. Many drivers in other countries face other motoring costs.
Some, such as France and Italy, have an extensive toll motorway network, while in Denmark a hefty car-purchase tax is levied.
Spending Those Taxes
The upper chart compares the tax paid by UK motorists with the amount spent on public transport and roads by the government.
Since 1975, revenue from VAT, fuel duty and road tax has jumped by almost £24bn, yet spending on transport has dropped by almost £5.5bn.
By contrast, latest figures for the US show the two figures are balanced.
Decade Of Change
While UK petrol prices have virtually doubled in the past 10 years, the level of fuel duty has remained fairly constant, even falling as a proportion of the overall cost.
This appears to support one of the government’s main arguments during the 2000 fuel protests, that oil costs rather than tax were responsible for price rises.
Since the driver protests of 2000, the Treasury has on occasion delayed implementing fuel-tax increases at sensitive times.
Costs Compared
Complaints about the cost of fuel are usually linked to the perceived high overall cost of motoring.
However, this chart shows how public transport costs are actually greater than the cost of running a car – and the gap is growing.
If current trends continue, motoring costs are likely to remain little changed, although this is at the mercy of fluctuating fuel prices.
This Year
The effects of Hurricane Katrina on US oil production appear to have been the trigger that sent the price of a litre of unleaded petrol towards the £1 mark.
But oil prices have been rising steadily, fuelled by a mixture of huge demand in China and India, uncertainty in the Middle East and limited US refining capacity.
Petrol retailers are hoping the rise might be a one-off and that prices will settle in the autumn, when demand tends to drop.
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Sam
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This is one reason why I wanna move back to Australia - cheaper petrol! 
Just been to look on Shell Australia's web site, it says average petrol is 137.3 cents/litre (in Sydney), which equates to 57.5 pence/litre.
We are paying nearly double here in the UK. 
[Edited on 08-09-2005 by Sam]
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Sam
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quote:
Originally posted by Tiesto
Simple solution. Reduce tax on petrol and raise taxes on both alcohol & fags.
As petrol is something that everyone needs, not fags and alcohol.
Which in turn might decrease costs in both policing and health sector.
[Edited on 07-09-2005 by Tiesto]
Yes you don't need cigarettes and beer to live, you need petrol for you car though, especially if public transportation is limited/not really feasible for going to work etc.
I agree with Tiesto. 
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Dave A
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blockades didnt work last time, they wont work this time either.
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Robbo
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Good post Broster, intersting to see price of nearer european cuirrencies... the idea about raising tax on cigs/boozxe ahs been explored many tiems but the benefit is also the crux of the problem - it is in essence a 'luxury' item and one, as you say, we could do without and the fear is that if you overtax them people will simply stop buying them and do all their dealings thru the black market which obv has its own inherent risks :S
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nik
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Just paid £1.3p for a litre.
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