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Pete_vxl

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29th Jun 09 at 12:27

Always hated the F1, still do. Glad the veyron won but i was surprised as how slow it was actually getting upto speed, could just be the driver though. I'm sure if you got rid of all the bugattis luxurys it would easily beat the F1

fir3vip3r

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29th Jun 09 at 12:51

they even said the F1 is a race car for the road whereas the veryron is desgined to be a superfast road car...

of course an f1 will go round a track faster, but im pretty sure i know which car, will be more refined, quiet, relaxing etc..

just because there both fast cars doesnt mean there designed to do the same thing

flybikeslee

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29th Jun 09 at 13:35

watching on iplayer now, mums cars and insurance PMSL

Hammer

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29th Jun 09 at 13:38

Think i'd still prefer the F1, always loved that car.

MoesTavern

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29th Jun 09 at 13:54

quote:
Originally posted by fir3vip3r
they even said the F1 is a race car for the road whereas the veryron is desgined to be a superfast road car...

of course an f1 will go round a track faster, but im pretty sure i know which car, will be more refined, quiet, relaxing etc..

just because there both fast cars doesnt mean there designed to do the same thing

Pretty sure the F1 isn't a 'race car for the road' otherwise McLaren wouldn't have bothered with the luggage space or having 3 seats etc, it was designed to be the ultimate road car just like the Veyron.

Daimo B

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29th Jun 09 at 14:15

I thought the McLaren was built FOR the road, and was turned into a race car with the additions.

hence why Whitemarsh was so critical of the Bugatti when it first came out. Spending millions, 10 years development, all on a car, simply to beat the McLarens top speed, when the McLaren was never designed to be a super top speed car that it was.

Was only meant to have around 550bhp odd as well..... But BMW come up with a blinding engine.

Pete_vxl

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29th Jun 09 at 14:25

as much as i hate the car i would love a gold engine bay!! i would only employ VXRMarc to clean it.

Dom

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29th Jun 09 at 14:30

Brother has the McLaren F1 book, absolute brilliant read. But yeah, the F1 was built, like the veyron, to be the ultimate no-money-spared road car. There's also a bit in the book about how another manufacturer (can't remember who) were designing something similar and McLaren stating that the BMW engine could easily reach 1000bhp with tweaks - now that would be impressive

VXR - the original engine was suppose to come from Honda IIRC

[Edited on 29-06-2009 by Dom]

Daimo B

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29th Jun 09 at 14:39

Pete - Thats gold plated. But its not the only thing, the whole car is made of of non perishable parts, so basically, as long as its serviced and maintained as per McLarens specifications, it should never rust or fall apart!!!!!!!! The Bugatti, for as much as I love its technological achievments, is something waiting to go wrong in some way

So many parts.

I do love the Veyron for what it is though. Jump in, fire it up, pop to the shops, come home again, do that every single day in the Veyron.

Mclaren is a little harder (from reports).

Dom, yeah, well those engines were running 750+bhp in LIMITED form. By that I mean airflow restrictors as they do in current GT racing (well most forms of racing). Remove the restrictors, and i'd agree 1000bhp could be possible... Its still one of the highest powered NA road car engines produced, and its 15 years old!!!!!!!!!!! (ok the new Lambos maybe, but that engines had 30+ years development).

Love both cars for their own things. I honestly giggled like a school girl when the McLaren pulled in front.... No denying the Veyrons top end though!!!!

sand-eel

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29th Jun 09 at 14:55

quote:
Originally posted by VXR

8 litres
x4 turbochargers
V12
1000+bhp
530bhp per tonne

W16

Scotty_B

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29th Jun 09 at 15:03

quote:
Originally posted by VXR

I honestly giggled like a school girl when the McLaren pulled in front.... No denying the Veyrons top end though!!!!

Same here, my heart was also pounding!!!!

The Veryons top speed isn't that much more impressive than the F1. 10mph at that speed isn't much is it especially given the F1 lower power.

Daimo B

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29th Jun 09 at 15:08

quote:
Originally posted by sand-eel

W16

Typo, still dribbling over the V12....

Is that all you could pick out of that info though.......

mwg

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29th Jun 09 at 15:22

quote:
Originally posted by CorSRi_BT

quote:
Originally posted by VXR

I honestly giggled like a school girl when the McLaren pulled in front.... No denying the Veyrons top end though!!!!

Same here, my heart was also pounding!!!!

The Veryons top speed isn't that much more impressive than the F1. 10mph at that speed isn't much is it especially given the F1 lower power.

10mph at that speed is a lot IMO. Hasn't someone mentioned this before on how much power is needed to do X speed then you need so much more to do Y speed etc. etc.

Daimo B

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29th Jun 09 at 15:23

It is an awful lot....

But how long you gonna be sitting at 240, let alone 250mph

And something to rule the Veyron out totally, is that Yank effort, the one that done 255mph, faster than the Veyron, on 1/10th of the budget, with a twin turbocharged old skool V8 engine.......

[Edited on 29-06-2009 by VXR]

sand-eel

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29th Jun 09 at 15:31

quote:
Originally posted by Matty G

quote:
Originally posted by CorSRi_BT

quote:
Originally posted by VXR

I honestly giggled like a school girl when the McLaren pulled in front.... No denying the Veyrons top end though!!!!

Same here, my heart was also pounding!!!!

The Veryons top speed isn't that much more impressive than the F1. 10mph at that speed isn't much is it especially given the F1 lower power.

10mph at that speed is a lot IMO. Hasn't someone mentioned this before on how much power is needed to do X speed then you need so much more to do Y speed etc. etc.

Air resistance increases exponentially with speed.

mwg

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29th Jun 09 at 15:39

quote:
Originally posted by VXR
It is an awful lot....

But how long you gonna be sitting at 240, let alone 250mph

And something to rule the Veyron out totally, is that Yank effort, the one that done 255mph, faster than the Veyron, on 1/10th of the budget, with a twin turbocharged old skool V8 engine.......

[Edited on 29-06-2009 by VXR]

As you've said before you could probably drive the Veyron everyday if you wished and be perfectly happy. You most probably couldn't with that american thing.

Thats what I think is so great about it. The fact it can go so fast yet its (relatively) useable. Its not a one trick pony

Scotty_B

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29th Jun 09 at 15:53

quote:
Originally posted by Matty G

quote:
Originally posted by VXR
It is an awful lot....

But how long you gonna be sitting at 240, let alone 250mph

And something to rule the Veyron out totally, is that Yank effort, the one that done 255mph, faster than the Veyron, on 1/10th of the budget, with a twin turbocharged old skool V8 engine.......

[Edited on 29-06-2009 by VXR]

As you've said before you could probably drive the Veyron everyday if you wished and be perfectly happy. You most probably couldn't with that american thing.

Thats what I think is so great about it. The fact it can go so fast yet its (relatively) useable. Its not a one trick pony

True it's a fantastic car, does everything brilliantly but it is one ugly mofo and for that reasons I'm out.

Leighton

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29th Jun 09 at 15:56

Dom

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29th Jun 09 at 15:57

quote:
Originally posted by Matty G

quote:
Originally posted by VXR
It is an awful lot....

But how long you gonna be sitting at 240, let alone 250mph

And something to rule the Veyron out totally, is that Yank effort, the one that done 255mph, faster than the Veyron, on 1/10th of the budget, with a twin turbocharged old skool V8 engine.......

[Edited on 29-06-2009 by VXR]

As you've said before you could probably drive the Veyron everyday if you wished and be perfectly happy. You most probably couldn't with that american thing.

Thats what I think is so great about it. The fact it can go so fast yet its (relatively) useable. Its not a one trick pony

It's the SSC Ultimate Aero TT (256.18mph >here<, Veyron was 253.81mph) and like said its a lot cheaper (roughly £292k) and looks just as usable -

[Edited on 29-06-2009 by Dom]

mwg

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29th Jun 09 at 16:01

yes a race harness, a helmet in the passenger seat, low side skirts and low front bumper screams to me a car that you could use everyday

[Edited on 29-06-2009 by Matty G]

Dom

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29th Jun 09 at 17:11

quote:
Originally posted by Matty G
yes a race harness, a helmet in the passenger seat, low side skirts and low front bumper screams to me a car that you could use everyday

[Edited on 29-06-2009 by Matty G]

No different to a Lambo (with regards to the skirt and bumper) and the harness is nothing considering people with corsa's use them day in day out.
And the helmet, christ ....come on! By that you're saying the Veyron would be deemed unpractical if a photo was taken of the interior with a helmet in shot! FPMSL

I'm not arguing that the Veyron isn't a great car, especially with regards to the used technology, but i don't understand how everyone believes that it's this great one and only supercar - it's not.

mwg

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29th Jun 09 at 20:08

It is the best though innit

AlunJ

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29th Jun 09 at 21:30

prefer a veyron over american shit tbh

ryzer

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30th Jun 09 at 14:15

Hammond: no crashes in the last 5 years

liamC

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30th Jun 09 at 18:51

Just watched the Lambo and F1 v Veyron on YouTube - Awesome!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SYY5Zn-Ew0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVlbvxd0Q10

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