Steve
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I wonder how cargo is held in place, id imagine it wouldnt just be a few straps 
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Dave
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Originally posted by A2H GO
Did a good job correcting it before impact, if it carried on at the rate it was going it looks like it would have flipped over.
If a passenger jet stalled at that height/stage of take off, would it end just as badly or was this purely caused by the load?
It would depend on what had caused the stall but at that altitude it's hardly ever going to end well. You need to nose down to pick up speed to get enough air flowing over the wings.
Massively unlikely for a passenger aircraft to stall on take off though, even the heaviest twins like a 777 could continue to climb on one engine for instance.
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tom_simes
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Originally posted by Steve
I wonder how cargo is held in place, id imagine it wouldnt just be a few straps
Have you ever seen lorries chained down to a cargo deck of a ferry? It's very much like that.
It's basically a load of chains tied from specific points on the load down to strengthened load bearing rings on the cargo floor. It's very scientific, designed to stop accidents exactly like this.
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CORSA NUT
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The most shocking thing about that video is the guys reaction  must see that everyday on the way to work.
I'd be like fuuuuuuuuccccckkkkkk!!!! 
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RichR
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Originally posted by tom_simes
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Originally posted by Steve
I wonder how cargo is held in place, id imagine it wouldnt just be a few straps
Have you ever seen lorries chained down to a cargo deck of a ferry? It's very much like that.
It's basically a load of chains tied from specific points on the load down to strengthened load bearing rings on the cargo floor. It's very scientific, designed to stop accidents exactly like this.
I was surprised at how little securing was used when we transported 4xcoastguard boats to the Middle East on the Antonov (225?!) plus the spares kits were simply put on the open decks and not secured to the boat and hence not secured at all. I'm sure they know what they're doing but I was surprised
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Adster
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Originally posted by SVM 286
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Despite the fact there would have been a few moments when the crew knew they were buggered, at least it would have been an instant death.
Probably not nearly instant enough.
Plus the knowing about it would have felt like an eternity.
Poor bastards.  Horribly killed, just doing one's job... shitting hell, ultimate suckfest.
Boeing (and other manufacturers) built in shaking yokes to warn pilots when the airspeed is getting low. I'd imagine that the thing would be going mental in this state!
Airbus have a different approach with the fly-by-wire system as the controls are opperated by a joy-stick and think it was proven that it is pretty much impossible to stall them. Sure i saw a video of iron maidens lead singer bruce flying an airbus A320 into a stall and the thing didnt even drop!
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Dave
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No amount of electronic trickery could save this one though.
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chrex
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Thing is, they are coming out of Bagram - so its a combat take off...using a high angle of attack and full power so they can hard target off the runway and get out of range of any RPG's or small arms fire.
Makes sense that cargo moved about and unbalanced it though. Is a bad incident.
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Kerry
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Originally posted by LiVe LeE
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Originally posted by tom_simes
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Originally posted by Steve
I wonder how cargo is held in place, id imagine it wouldnt just be a few straps
Have you ever seen lorries chained down to a cargo deck of a ferry? It's very much like that.
It's basically a load of chains tied from specific points on the load down to strengthened load bearing rings on the cargo floor. It's very scientific, designed to stop accidents exactly like this.
I was surprised at how little securing was used when we transported 4xcoastguard boats to the Middle East on the Antonov (225?!) plus the spares kits were simply put on the open decks and not secured to the boat and hence not secured at all. I'm sure they know what they're doing but I was surprised
I know but have you seen how many engines them bad boys have!!!!!!!
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SVM 286
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Originally posted by Dave
No amount of electronic trickery could save this one though.
A quick release tailgate might have been of some use to them.
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jasesaint
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RiP
Gonna send this link to a few mates that are scared of flying!
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