Drew
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how do i link them so both pc's can be online at same time
suppose it gotta be wireless as they at different ends of the house
claire told me basically what is needed, but can you point me in the direction of the actual parts, links please 
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Ian
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Router and if they're not already networked, two network cards and some patch cables. Doesn't need to be wireless although this is easier to install.
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Ian
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http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1041945548.1100950739@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccdkadcmmiljgdhcflgceggdhhmdgmj.0&page=Product&sku=336352&category_oid=-9980&fm=null&sm=null&tm=null
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Cybermonkey
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BTW, not all ISP's allow more than one IP address to be logged at the same time through the same connection. Mine doesnt 
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Ian
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...and two of these...
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1041945548.1100950739@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccdkadcmmiljgdhcflgceggdhhmdgmj.0&page=Product&sku=886359&category_oid=-9976&fm=null&sm=null&tm=null
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Ian
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quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey24
more than one IP address to be logged at the same time through the same connection
They never will be, your intenal network addresses are completely different to the one assignged by your ISP.
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Ian
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http://www.gyre.co.uk/help/broadband/connection_sharing.php
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Ian
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You want the first one in 'Method 2: Sharing a broadband connection using a hardware broadband router'
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Nismo
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if you have a dynamic IP it will not matter
If you have a Static IP check with your service provider as they may not allow ghost connections.
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by Nismo
if you have a dynamic IP it will not matter
If you have a Static IP check with your service provider as they may not allow ghost connections.
tbh, i doubt would matter if your static or dynamic as the ISP would only ever see one connection anyways. And aslong as the router is setup to use the static IP given by your ISP then it should work fine
However, majority of IPs given for broadband are either dynamic or "sticky" dynamic addresses (both the same, except with a sticky the ip address rarely changes).
However, if you have the option to get another ip address, then i would get it as it means both pcs will have their own address and a few programs kick up fuss with using a nat'd network 
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Ian
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It doesn't matter!
The ISP assigns an IP address to your connection, the MAC address of which they take a note of - usually your network card. If you introduce a router it will have a different MAC, but most routers (Belkin being one) will spoof it. If it doesn't work, phone them up, find out what MAC is registered and connect using the router.
Then get your nodes seeing the router, make sure they're getting IP and DNS via DHCP, and it'll work.
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Nismo
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it does matter with us as you get assined the IP then the second PC/user connects and they dont get assined an IP as its allready in use so they are unable to browse , ok if you use a DHCP network though.
we get cheap skate offices that buy 1 dialup account for there traveliing staff then moan that they can hardley ever browse cus of everybody else dialling up with it 
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Ian
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I'm talking about sharing an internet connection with a few PCs in a home/small office etc.
You're talking about making all machines in a private network externally visible by assigning global IP addresses to them all. Totally unnecessary if you just want to browse the web and send a few emails on the PCs.
And yes, you need a network in to which to supply the internet connection. I don't see any sensible reason why you'd do it any other way.
[Edited on 20-11-2004 by Ian]
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by Nismo
it does matter with us as you get assined the IP then the second PC/user connects and they dont get assined an IP as its allready in use so they are unable to browse , ok if you use a DHCP network though.
we get cheap skate offices that buy 1 dialup account for there traveliing staff then moan that they can hardley ever browse cus of everybody else dialling up with it
oh aye, dial-up is a different story all together
but with broadband only one ip address is assigned to the modem, therefore the ISP only sees the traffic from the modem and not whats behind it 
as for MAC addresses, yea ADSL you have to phone majority of the ISPS to get them to change it etc Although you usually just copy it from your network card or USB "fake" network card driver mac address to the router
Although with cable, you can assign two mac addresses within a 24hr period, which is pretty handy
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Tim
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Dialup access from multiple points (and subsequent authentications on radius or other auth servers) are the way in which your strict multiple-location access policies are achieved.
With a single ADSL connection, there is absolutely no way the ISP can tell whether a connection was made from PC1 or PC2 behind a NAPT firewall -- THAT IS the whole point. Dom and Ian are correct, end of... Ghost connections?
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Ian
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Dial-up is not a different story if you're all in the same house.
I used to share a BT OpenWorld 56k connection between my three computers and two in my neighbours house. Slow as anything, but it worked.
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by Tim
Dialup access from multiple points (and subsequent authentications on radius or other auth servers) are the way in which your strict multiple-location access policies are achieved.
With a single ADSL connection, there is absolutely no way the ISP can tell whether a connection was made from PC1 or PC2 behind a NAPT firewall -- THAT IS the whole point. Dom and Ian are correct, end of... Ghost connections?
GO TIM GO TIM GO TIM !!!
to be fair though it is only midday and most of us are still in bed 
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Dial-up is not a different story if you're all in the same house.
I used to share a BT OpenWorld 56k connection between my three computers and two in my neighbours house. Slow as anything, but it worked.
its the same if you use a router, but i think nismo was talking about dialing up from different tel numbers etc etc
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Nismo
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quote:
Originally posted by Tim
Dialup access from multiple points (and subsequent authentications on radius or other auth servers) are the way in which your strict multiple-location access policies are achieved.
With a single ADSL connection, there is absolutely no way the ISP can tell whether a connection was made from PC1 or PC2 behind a NAPT firewall -- THAT IS the whole point. Dom and Ian are correct, end of... Ghost connections?
no said anything about firewalls , just routers  
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willay
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quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey24
BTW, not all ISP's allow more than one IP address to be logged at the same time through the same connection. Mine doesnt
NAT.
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Nismo
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Dial-up is not a different story if you're all in the same house.
I used to share a BT OpenWorld 56k connection between my three computers and two in my neighbours house. Slow as anything, but it worked.
it is with static IPs with easynet. when you dialup you are assigned the IP so no one else can have that ip.
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Nismo
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quote:
Originally posted by Dom
quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Dial-up is not a different story if you're all in the same house.
I used to share a BT OpenWorld 56k connection between my three computers and two in my neighbours house. Slow as anything, but it worked.
its the same if you use a router, but i think nismo was talking about dialing up from different tel numbers etc etc
yes and you cant have 2 people dialup from the same number at the same time can you.
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Dom
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look at us geeks debating static ips and NATPCXYZ firewall and QURSTXYZ routers and that if you connect a quilling fibre cable to the nano network socket then you get 43*7squared over 1 gbits a millisecond..yadda yadda yadda
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by Nismo
quote:
Originally posted by Dom
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Originally posted by Ian
Dial-up is not a different story if you're all in the same house.
I used to share a BT OpenWorld 56k connection between my three computers and two in my neighbours house. Slow as anything, but it worked.
its the same if you use a router, but i think nismo was talking about dialing up from different tel numbers etc etc
yes and you cant have 2 people dialup from the same number at the same time can you.
depends if the ISP gives you a dynamic IP address, or your ISP sets you a static ip on that account - majority of ISPS dish out dynamics, hence why when NTLWorld just launched with there 15quid/month dialup we had two phone numbers and used to beable connect with the same account. It was also why ntl cut us off from that, although they never had any warnings on the packaging nor in the T&C's about it, so they didnt have a leg to stand on
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willay
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gigabit jigabit dom
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