Steve
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Something got me thinking, and i realised these days, most things you looked at are rubbish compared to say 10 years ago.
What do i mean by this?
Well take music for example, todays music seems to be produced to fit into a market, and be mass produced. This is fine, but somewhere in the mix music is not being made as good as it was 10 years ago. Something is lost, like its not being made with any heart, but simply because a record label asks them.
Now take computer games, yes there are good games, but there is nothing revolutionary like used to be the case 10 years or so ago. Again i feel its down to the makers trying to fit in with the market instead of producing good stuff. They are trying to cater for everyones taste, and again something is missing.
Even cars, like computer games, there are good cars, but nothing that really gets you excited like an escort cossie did years ago. No cars are individual, they all seem to lack personality and are made to a mass produced market, something is missing, there is nothing about any particular car that makes it amazing (apart from some supercars, but im talking about main dealers here)
do you see where im coming from? basically i think the market and industry is shaping things which is having the effect of it not being as good as it should be, or wouldve been years ago
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Aaron
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I see exactly where you're coming from, and its all down to money making IMO
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Jake
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Everything revolves around money these days unfortunately. It is a mass produced era so things just get banged out for profit.
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Kurt
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some valid points, i totally disagree on the music side though, its not about the mainstream anymore, theres plenty of unsigned bands out there that are amazing and all doing there own thing
although yes i supose there pop acts just there for the money grabbing side
also the cars thing, im actually excited for the future, i was reading an article on the tokyo motor show and some of the concepts are simply amazing
http://motorshow.cars.uk.msn.com/motorshow/Tokyo2007/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=5631919
[Edited on 27-10-2007 by Kurt]
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CorsAsh
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I think the human race is at a pivotal moment where we have pushed our development as far as we can conservatively.
In order to advance and discover new horizons, we will have to embrace change. I don't think the majority of people are ready to do that - when the majority comprises the so called "Internet Generation" we will start to see more steps and radical changes to who we are as a species.
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CorsAsh
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Having said that, if we have a new World War, that will push things forward at an immense rate. Out of destruction is born creation.
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Robin
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No-one takes risks now because risks don't pay off as much.
Music only sells if it appeals to 13 year old girls, so most of it is shite RnB, made purely to sell records, not for the sake of making music.
Cars can't be risky, as for some reason, people seem more worried about what the earth is going to be like after we're all dead than they are about enjoying it now. The Escort Cosworth wouldn't be saleable today because someone would complain it was too bad for the environment, or that if a pedestrian walked in front of it, they'd get injured.
I wish I was born in 1970 really, everything got good in the 20 years after that, all the cool stuff was in the 70s and 80s, even the early 90s.
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by CorsAsh
Having said that, if we have a new World War, that will push things forward at an immense rate. Out of destruction is born creation.
Won't be long the way Russia are behaving at the moment.
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Jake
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
I wish I was born in 1970 really, everything got good in the 20 years after that, all the cool stuff was in the 70s and 80s, even the early 90s.
you probably wouldnt appreciate the design of the cars if you were around then as much as you do now.
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Tom
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good theory ash, the are lots of people resistant to change, it's not even there fault really it's just what they know. The so called internet generation will embrace change but are very demanding and more powerful in terms of being able to get what they want and when they want it.
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by jake
quote:
Originally posted by Robin
I wish I was born in 1970 really, everything got good in the 20 years after that, all the cool stuff was in the 70s and 80s, even the early 90s.
you probably wouldnt appreciate the design of the cars if you were around then as much as you do now.
I meant more with computers.
These days, you're just like "oh, wow, 11 megapixels instead of 10  " or "oh look, another operating system from windows " not "fuck, a computer which I can use at home, that's amazing  " or "a telephone I can carry with me everywhere, what a brilliant thing this is "
Everything has been done, nothing is "wow!" new now.
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CorsAsh
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Russia isnt the problem, the problem these days comes from the fanatics.
Putin is a stable leader, he's not as easy to monitor as Yeltsin but I prefer him every day of the week to Bush.
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Kurt
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tbh it may sound radical but britain should really close its borders and deport the immigrants, think how many houses would be free'd up, how many less people in hospital waiting rooms etc
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Robin
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Russia isnt the problem, the problem these days comes from the fanatics.
Putin is a stable leader, he's not as easy to monitor as Yeltsin but I prefer him every day of the week to Bush.
They've been flying their bombers in and out of our airspace a lot over the last couple of weeks to see how quickly/intensely we respond, that doesn't seem like something a normal, stable country does to me.
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Jake
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
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Originally posted by jake
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Originally posted by Robin
I wish I was born in 1970 really, everything got good in the 20 years after that, all the cool stuff was in the 70s and 80s, even the early 90s.
you probably wouldnt appreciate the design of the cars if you were around then as much as you do now.
I meant more with computers.
These days, you're just like "oh, wow, 11 megapixels instead of 10 " or "oh look, another operating system from windows " not "fuck, a computer which I can use at home, that's amazing " or "a telephone I can carry with me everywhere, what a brilliant thing this is "
Everything has been done, nothing is "wow!" new now.
true. I think the only shock value left would be to bring someone back from the dead or clone someone
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Robin
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Mind you, I say this all with hindsight on previous advances in technology, I'm sure in the 50s, no-one expected to have more than 1 TV channel, but it happened.
Something amazing will happen no doubt, but I can't see anything that would blow my mind, short of time travel or something 
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Kurt
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why arent we allowed to invade other countries anymore like in ye olde times of the british empire?
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Paul_J
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For a start, I think music was just as manufactured 10 years ago... i.e. boy bands, crappy pop music etc...
Computer games, ok nothing is as ground breaking, but that's mainly because most has been done / everything is already fairly complex...
A fully 3d rendered landscape was like a slight sense of AI a intro sequence on a monorail (half-life) wow...
but these days, you have to go soooo much further than this to make any impact at all.. Things are still being pushed more and more with each release and itll continue to improve imo.
As for cars, well, these days no one wants to take a risk... The cost of design / testing / safety etc these days is higher, what the market wants is different. etc
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CorsAsh
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Paul has a point re rendering, they actually want people to make renders less realistic these days so they can judge designs more effectively for cars anyway
[Edited on 27-10-2007 by CorsAsh]
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CorsAsh
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quote:
Originally posted by jake
These days, you're just like "oh, wow, 11 megapixels instead of 10 " or "oh look, another operating system from windows " not "fuck, a computer which I can use at home, that's amazing " or "a telephone I can carry with me everywhere, what a brilliant thing this is "
Everything has been done, nothing is "wow!" new now.
true. I think the only shock value left would be to bring someone back from the dead or clone someone
I think the next big wow will be a completely clean, cheap and renewable energy source. Followed by interplanetary travel.
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by CorsAsh
I think the next big wow will be a completely clean, cheap and renewable energy source. Followed by interplanetary travel.
I know it's not quite the same, but Mercedes' DiesOtto technology excites me.
There was some bloke who had created some sort of artificial 'jelly' stuff which burns clean and was renewable, looked a bit like jellied eels  was on TV the other day.
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CorsAsh
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That the stuff from the F700?
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RS6
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this song sums up todays music going down the pan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6o8NlrbHg
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by CorsAsh
That the stuff from the F700?
Yeah, petrol engine which uses compression for ignition on part load, which means it burns cleaner because of some clever timing and injection.
But then, it might go the way of BMWs hydrogen cars
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Steve
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im going to invent something revolutionary
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