sand-eel
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I heard the origional c16xe engine had 150bhp but was reduced because the c20xe was 150bhp. I was wondering if there are any pics or specs of the engine anywhere as i am quite interested in what they did, did they have a "powerbox" type inlet, high lift cams, polished head like ek9 civic type R's have as standard, 4 branch like the c20xe but better design etc etc
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BarnshaW
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never heard of a standard 1.6 150bhp C16xe??
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richc
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I dont think it would be that much. would have done well to loose 1/3 of an engines power
[Edited on 24-01-2008 by richc]
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Ste L
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it'll probly just looked the same as c16 with a manzel style inlet fitted i would of though - basically how the 8v mpi engine's have plemum's
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Ste L
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Originally posted by BarnshaW
never heard of a standard 1.6 150bhp C16xe??
when lotus designed the engine it was over 150bhp, they reduce the power, but kept thge torque by using the stupid inlet design, that goes around the back of the engine...
reason for de-tune, is that vauxhall didn't want the corsa gsi faster than the current top sporty model - teh Astra mk3 GSI
[Edited on 24-01-2008 by Ste L]
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sand-eel
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quote:
Originally posted by BarnshaW
never heard of a standard 1.6 150bhp C16xe??
they never put it into production
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corsa_rob
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dammit i did have the original pic of the info on this 1 sec ill see if i can find wot u mean!
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corsa_rob
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think it was on smallblockxe.com but the site seems to be down now??? u2u broster about it maybe?
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Ste L
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small block xe didn't have a pic of the original, it was a pic of a normal c16xe
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broster
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thats the pic i used ot have on smallblockxe.com, but i didn't pay for the hosting 
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by corsa_rob
think it was on smallblockxe.com but the site seems to be down now??? u2u broster about it maybe?
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Ste L
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Originally posted by broster
thats the pic i used ot have on smallblockxe.com, but i didn't pay for the hosting
i just got it from your site, used archive.org to get it 
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Superlite Ltd.
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According to the boys at work the original head had bigger valves, a more environmentally un-friendly camshaft profile and it had a totally different map.
Could all be hearsay tbh
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Robin
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Considering how easy it is to extract an extra 40bhp with a different inlet, cams and map, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Vauxhall/Lotus had managed it to begin with, Ford did the same with some of their engines, they had nearly 300bhp out of the box and they restricted them to 204/227 to sell them to the public, Renault did it too IIRC.
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deano87
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Interesting stuff, never knew this. I wonder if they have an original spec engine lying around somewhere in Luton 
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Nick-S
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ive herd this before, was a while ago tho
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lil_g
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quote:
Originally posted by deano87
Interesting stuff, never knew this. I wonder if they have an original spec engine lying around somewhere in Luton
I'm on it
Would like to know what kind of spec it had though!
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Dave A
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I actually know one of the engineers at Lotus that designed the c16xe, he also designed a lot of the the z18xe.
he now has his own engine building company. most of the claims made about the original c16 were false although it was making 140+ bhp he tells me 
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lil_g
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Any idea of the level of spec dave?
Cams, headwork, Inlet?
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deano87
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quote:
Originally posted by lil_g
I'm on it
Would like to know what kind of spec it had though!
B16 GEV the getaway car 
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lil_g
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quote:
Originally posted by deano87
quote:
Originally posted by lil_g
I'm on it
Would like to know what kind of spec it had though!
B16 GEV the getaway car
 Yeah... would surprise the police cars around here that are used to 1.2 8v'd corsa's
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deano87
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Or 12v's
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Dave A
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quote:
Originally posted by lil_g
Any idea of the level of spec dave?
Cams, headwork, Inlet?
unfortunately no, I wish I did have. I do know that some cars in the Group N rally class many years ago managed to make 140 bhp with the standard inlet, plenty of torque too. never found out the spec though
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Daimo B
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quote:
Originally posted by Ste L
quote:
Originally posted by BarnshaW
reason for de-tune, is that vauxhall didn't want the corsa gsi faster than the current top sporty model - teh Astra mk3 GSI
Not only that, the GSI with the 150bhp C16 also gave worse fuel economy and the drive was not smooth and was quite lumpy to drive on the road.
As said, ran different higher lift cams, different inlet manifold system, different exhaust system, different fueling.
Not really much different from what people are doing today, just not as well.
[Edited on 25-01-2008 by VXR]
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SAL
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quote:
Originally posted by deano87
Interesting stuff, never knew this. I wonder if they have an original spec engine lying around somewhere in Luton
The info on the 12v being de-restricted from 110 bhp will be with it
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