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UK campaigners NO2ID this morning enlisted the help of bloggers across the world to spread a leaked government document describing how the British government intends to go about "coercing" its citizens onto a National Identity Register. The 'ID card' is revealed as little more than a cover to create a official dossier and trackable ID for every UK resident - creating what NO2ID calls 'the database state'.
NO2ID's national coordinator, Phil Booth, exhorted bloggers, freedom lovers and anyone who gives a damn about personal privacy to mirror the annotated document on their site.
"The charade is over. While ministers try to bamboozle the British public with fairytales about fingerprints, officials are plotting how to dupe and bully the population into surrendering control of their own identities."
"Biometric ID cards are a sham; a magician's flourish to cover the biggest identity fraud there has ever been.
http://wikileaks.cx/leak/nis-options-analysis-outcome.pdf
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Adam
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C2RL R
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what?
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McLovin
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taylorboosh
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i personaly feel it would be a good idea
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Adam
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i personaly feel it would be a good idea
Any reasoning behind this?
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taylorboosh
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yeh quite a bit, will stop a hell of a lot of identity theft, underage drinking, people will no longer be able to give false details to police etc
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Originally posted by corsabadboy
yeh quite a bit, will stop a hell of a lot of identity theft, underage drinking, people will no longer be able to give false details to police etc
and the government will also know where you are all the time and what you are doing. No thanks
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Originally posted by corsabadboy
yeh quite a bit, will stop a hell of a lot of identity theft, underage drinking, people will no longer be able to give false details to police etc
I agree.
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Originally posted by corsabadboy
yeh quite a bit, will stop a hell of a lot of identity theft, underage drinking, people will no longer be able to give false details to police etc
untill people start to make forged id cards,
no matter how hard they make them to copy,
criminals will find a way of duplicating them.
biggest waste of money imo and another way of controlling us.
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Originally posted by corsabadboy
yeh quite a bit, will stop a hell of a lot of identity theft, underage drinking, people will no longer be able to give false details to police etc
untill people start to make forged id cards,
no matter how hard they make them to copy,
criminals will find a way of duplicating them.
biggest waste of money imo and another way of controlling us.
But what about the database itself? Even if they did manage to make a fake card, could they get a fake entry put into the database?
Im personally for it, I dont see what all the fuss is about.
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my aunt works for the dvla, she say's they have loads of fake entries on their database. with a fraud department in swansea that checks them all.but not all get detected.
So if it can be done on their computers im sure theres ways of getting them on a national database?
Dont you think the billion's wasted on a stupid little card thats just another way of controlling us should be better spent on the nhs and education system.
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Adam
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Originally posted by corsabadboy
will stop a hell of a lot of identity theft,
And when your ID does get stolen (and you must admit a database with everyone in the UK's details will be soo tempting to hack) then how are you going to go about changing your fingerprints/retina's if they decide to include biometrics?
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underage drinking,
what's wrong with the AGE Cards / Driving License / Passport options we have already?
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people will no longer be able to give false details to police etc
How? unless the Police are going to carry around portable card readers to read the chip on your ID.
IMO, the government haven't got the first idea about technology, and I cite the Home Secretary vowing to remove all bed/illegal content off the web, seriouslt 
No database is infallable, it will get broken or it will get hacked, either way they don't exactly have a good record over the last few months of keeping people data secret either!!
[Edited on 21-02-2008 by Adam]
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I think:
Eventually the card would be used to do everything, even buy your groceries so then cash itself could be removed.
This would mean all your money was simply numbers on a piece of paper, cash would not exist. This would stop any cash in hand work \ drug dealers etc who work with cash only.
Everything will go through the card. Nobody will be able to make that little bit on the side anymore. We will all be kept in poverty. It will be like a lifetime of big brother.
Then the government will loose the data in the post and everyone in the worlds data will end on on torrenspy.com.
Its gna be great! 
[Edited on 21-02-2008 by johnhara1]
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Adam
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Originally posted by johnhara1
I think:
Eventually the card would be used to do everything, even buy your groceries so then cash itself could be removed.
This would mean all your money was simply numbers on a piece of paper, cash would not exist. This would stop any cash in hand work \ drug dealers etc who work with cash only.
Everything like go through the card. It will be like a lifetime of big brother.
So the small family run shop making very little turnover/profit should be expected to purchase;
A valid card reader
Internet connection
and unless it's built into the device some sort of firewall/encyption technology for it to check your details back to home base?
Every single part of your life would be logged and recorded somewhere and how would this work for internet purchases?
[Edited on 21-02-2008 by Adam]
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Well they expect us to purchase everything else dont they. We will have to pay for the ID card, the shop will have to pay for the equipment.
I would imagine your id card would be like a credit card. Needed for any purchases online \ in shop etc so everything is recorded. You wouldnt need anything else what so ever.
Your whole life would be on this card - doctors records \ loans \ drivers license \ etc etc etc
[Edited on 21-02-2008 by johnhara1]
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Adam
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Originally posted by johnhara1
Well they expect us to purchase everything else dont they. We will have to pay for the ID card, the shop will have to pay for the equipment.
If they do ehat i think will happen, your id card will be like a credit card. Needed for any purchases online \ in shop etc so everything is recorded.
What happens tho if you break or loose your card? A replacement will hardly be instantanious and then you would have no paying for things for XXdays/weeks till a new one arrives. And also visitors to the country, not really feasable to issue an ID card to someone who is just visiting for 1 or 2 days
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Adam
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Originally posted by johnhara1
Your whole life would be on this card - doctors records \ loans \ drivers license \ etc etc etc
There's no way they could manage that.
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I dont know the specifics afterall this is just my theory of what will eventually happen with the ID card scheme.
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yeh they'll loose the data like they did on those cd's somewhere for whatever.
then we'll all be fooked.
I say gom back to prehistoric ages, hitting each other on the head with sticks and grunting a lot.........oh wait......thats like now isnt it.
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johnhara1
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Originally posted by johnhara1
Your whole life would be on this card - doctors records \ loans \ drivers license \ etc etc etc
There's no way they could manage that.
What makes you think that? Having your whole life history accessible via 1 card doesnt sound impossible to me.
[Edited on 21-02-2008 by johnhara1]
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R Lee
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In Hong Kong, they have been using for absolutely years.
It works great and everyone must carry one at all times.
I've never heard of ID theft over there.
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Originally posted by R Lee
In Hong Kong, they have been using for absolutely years.
It works great and everyone must carry one at all times.
I've never heard of ID theft over there.
And do you think that all news from Hong Kong is reported over here?
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