baza31
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As above. There is a motor am looking at salvage. All vin numbers and engine numbers everywhere have been removed. Also no number plates. The car is cheap at moment I think for obvious reasons. Does anyone know how I'd be able to get the original number plate details? I have a diagnostic computer that brings vin off the ecu , I can't imagine them been smart enough to erase that data or modify it. It's a cat c so needs a vic test , where they can be a nightmare and could q plate it. Do you think if I went into Audi dealer with the vin off ecu they would release or even know the numberplate ? So at least I can re stamp and plate it back up and have half a chance with vic. Anyone know ? Or better work for audi
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daymoon
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obvious question is why there are no vin numbers? If it's really cheap I would connect diagnostics, get VIN number and make enquiries with HPI/Police to make sure it is not stolen etc.
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BarnshaW
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i would never buy a car that someone had removed the VINS from........
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John
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Just buy it, stick a couple of cardboard vin plates on and sell it again imo.
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Twiggy
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Buy it for breaker money if you can get it on the road then you earn more money
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taylorboosh
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get vin and then ask police if its stolen... If not happy days
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baza31
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It has been stolen and they have removed numbers, not sure why its a c and not x , must be as they want to check it before it goes on road again , it's up for auction so ill have proof but there's no comeback , basically buying what you see with no paperwork log book history etc . It's up tomorrow morning but I can't find anywhere on google for help . Also I can't get my diag on it before sale. It's cheap for the car but a lot of money if it's no use . Plus if the chassis has been removed from ecu then it's Not worth a shit . Do Audi barcode doors etc and if scanned would it come up? Or are the barcode just part numbers batch numbers etc?
[Edited on 12-02-2012 by baza31]
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Ian
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I would think they'll Q plate it anyway, data read from an ECU isn't really proper proof of the ID and as you're presenting it yourself they may not accept either way.
I would think you take it for a VIC and get a Q.
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davieslim
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id have thought if its stolen and recovered and registered as a cat c if there was no id or way of finding out the relivent id you would have to put the car through a sva test
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Ian
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No its type approval still stands.
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baza31
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It's tricky really . Most likely Ian but car would be worth a third I bet not only q plate but cat c . Only thing is they must of categorised the vin , meaning someone knows it .if I was to restamp it and find the plates I would hope they would be lenient and pass it off .
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Ian
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Depends what type of evidence they want, I can't see them taking your word that you've been in the ECU and got it, but it's also highly unlikely that there's no trace of some sort.
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BeArDy
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quote:
Originally posted by baza31
It's tricky really . Most likely Ian but car would be worth a third I bet not only q plate but cat c . Only thing is they must of categorised the vin , meaning someone knows it .if I was to restamp it and find the plates I would hope they would be lenient and pass it off .
not had much dealing with DVLA 
Problems in what your saying..........
I steel a car and fit a wiring loom and ecu off another CAT damage car.
Can I restamp the shell with them details?
I agree with Ian it would be put on a Q plate............
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N3CRO
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quote:
Originally posted by BarnshaW
i would never buy a car that someone had removed the VINS from........
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baza31
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quote:
Originally posted by BeArDy
quote:
Originally posted by baza31
It's tricky really . Most likely Ian but car would be worth a third I bet not only q plate but cat c . Only thing is they must of categorised the vin , meaning someone knows it .if I was to restamp it and find the plates I would hope they would be lenient and pass it off .
not had much dealing with DVLA
Problems in what your saying..........
I steel a car and fit a wiring loom and ecu off another CAT damage car.
Can I restamp the shell with them details?
I agree with Ian it would be put on a Q plate............
Alot of dealings but it's vosa ain't it that does the check. Yeh you could do and am sure your aware it goes on . That's probably what this was waiting for . I could easily re stamp the lot and like said above if I can get the reg via vin then if I brought it in with a set of plates, re stamped am half way there . If I could find previous owner or insurance or even a covering letter off auction surely I'll have some grounds? Might give it a go if cheap enough and run it. Can u put a dateless private reg on a q?
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Ian
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You can't change the reg later, once its on a Q that's all you can have.
[Edited on 12-02-2012 by Ian]
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Mattb
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What car is it?
Audis normally have the VIN in 3 places...
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Graeme
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Wouldn't say it will deffinatly go on a Q plate.
We have had 4 range rovers that have been stolen recovered and the old vins removed and new ones put over the top.
What happened to them was that they had the area ground down and new numbers were added and old plates put back on. They had all had the mileage put higher and older plates put on. That's how they caught one. And 06 plate on a 60 car.
So mileage was reset to last know mileage of service history but land rover them selves.
Only thing with these is that there was the old vin in the windscreen still but had a paper one put over the top so has that happened or not?
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Ian
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Another thought - if the engine number is still present you could use that to cross reference the ECU records? I know the Puma engine numbers are just the last 7 chars of the chassis number and from that you can make the whole number, or least check whether a number you have in mind matches or not.
That would also give you a fix in Audi records although I think the biggest problem there is the dealer wanting to help rather than whether the data is actually available, it almost certainly would be.
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baza31
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That's what I thought. Apparently all numbers have gone, box, engine , chassis . It's a s5 . I don't know how they know if engine numbers gone because they usually have one where box fits , so only way they would know is by taking engine out and I really can't imagine that .
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Ian
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Who inspected it? If its an insurer they won't have gone to that much trouble.
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baza31
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Who inspected it? If its an insurer they won't have gone to that much trouble.
I'd imagine insurer , they sell alot of salvage cars . All visible numbers are removed , when I spoke to company they said engine and gearbox too , but If (I maybe wrong) there is a number between box etc it wouldn't be visible by a visual inspection. I've never gone down route of q plate, do they issue new vin? Or could I stamp what I wanted ? If so surely the marker wouldn't be on it as it's carried on vin ?
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Graeme
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They would issue you a new vin which you would need to get done by a specialist company who do that and give you paperwork for it. Then it would all be checked at the big test.
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Ian
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Does the VIN need doing by a specialist?
Chassis plate on the bonnet slam might but the floor stamp you might be able to do?
I know for Ste W's kit car he used something similar to this and that was fine for the IVA, I would guess the VIC is of a similar standard -
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Draper-A-Z-Metal-Stamp-Set-Letter-Height-1-4-Hardened-Postcode-Alphabet-Punch-/400251120195?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item5d30d36a43
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baza31
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For those interested car made £22700 plus 10% buyers premium . Too much of a risk imo
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