antnee
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Been accepted for a graduate job I went for but on the job post it didn't mention salary at all. The contract has been sent to me and the wage is a little lower than I was expecting, so how does negotiating a higher wage with a new employer go down?
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LeeM
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did you not think of asking at interview? you negotiate before you accept the job usually
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taylorboosh
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Not surr if it does but id maybe of asked in interview what you would be earning??
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taylorboosh
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any questions - nope
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Bart
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it sounds a bit odd to get so far without discussing the salary, but I suppose it was probably based on the graduates experience.
Personally, depending on how much lower it is, if you can live with it, id accept it, get your foot in the door, get your head down, get some experience and then look at renegotiating.
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Ian
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Three things -
Do nothing - easy
Tell them you want more and accept the same - fairly easy but they might think a bit badly (or probably not, you are new to employment and they won't remember in a month anyway)
Tell them you want more and don't accept the same and leave - waste of everyone's time and leaves you with no job.
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ed
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For graduate jobs, it's kinda normal not to discuss salary. You generally don't submit a salary expectation and it's a bit of a faux pas to talk cash in the first interview.
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Jules S
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Depends what job it is and salary scales I guess.
I have a friend who is a PM in the Defence manufacturing industry. He states quite openly that not asking for pay rises is seen as an act of weakness and counts against you (granted not before you start - but that ship has sailed)
You could ask for the salary scales/increment point to get a better understanding of where you will be in the future.
I've never heard of being offered a job before any slary discussions though.
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LeeM
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Originally posted by ed
For graduate jobs, it's kinda normal not to discuss salary. You generally don't submit a salary expectation and it's a bit of a faux pas to talk cash in the first interview.
its less of a salary discussion, and more getting the basic important info. funny if he's accepted an unpaid internship due to not bothering to ask 
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ed
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Should have said, only applies if the job has an advertised salary All the grad jobs I've seen have which leaves little room to negotiate as there always seem to be more applicants than positions.
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antnee
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It is a few grand down on what other similar grad schemes pay.
I might send a nicely worded email in, just asking about how quickly I could work up the pay scale
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antnee
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Also I should add, I feel I am in a strong position for the job as they said we would hear from them in over a weeks time, yet I got a phone call from them the next day.
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Wrighty
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what's a graduate job as opposed to a normal job?
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antnee
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More training, mentoring, etc
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Skylined
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All the graduate jobs I applied for all had a set salary advertised.
Grad schemes usually start everyone on the same wage, so wouldn't have thought you'd get anywhere asking for more. If you do start and the other grads find out you're earning a few grand more than them they'll be pissed and kick off, and you won't be the most popular person to sit with at lunch
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Wrighty
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Job > no job 
id say a few grand less then what you were expecting is better then nothing, and id be counting my lucky stars id had the offer too. Just make it known you want to progress to get something more like the salary you were expecting
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Skylined
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Is it to start soon or in September?
If the latter you could always just accept for now and keep applying elsewhere. Nothing to stop you pulling out later down the line.
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Xs
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What is the job and what is the wage if you don't mine me asking? Had quite a lot of graduate interviews so have a good idea of pay scales
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RichR
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They also tend to have a probation period with an appraisal at the end; I started on a relatively low wage but at the end of my 3 month probation, I got an £8k raise which put me in a better position than I would have been elsewhere. There's no point in an employer wasting money on someone who might well drop out in that initial period.
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antnee
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Its a manufacturing/process engineer, starting on 20k.
I think I might sit tight then, see what happens. They already know I want to progress through the company so I guess I just need to work hard.
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VrsTurbo
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20k is good going for a grad job though is it not?!
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James
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quote:
Originally posted by VrsTurbo
20k is good going for a grad job though is it not?!
Not really - I don't know that industry but most blue-chip grad schemes pay £30k+ and then a sign-on bonus on top of a few thousand.
[Edited on 10-04-2013 by James]
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antnee
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The majority of engineering grad schemes (for automotive/mech) are usually around the mid 20s, some are around 29k for the likes of Jag.
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Balling
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Originally posted by LeeM
did you not think of asking at interview? you negotiate before you accept the job usually
This.
Also, I accepted a lower pay than I was expecting when I took my current job. The pension and perks were miles better than what I came from, for one thing.
Also I couldn't wait to get out of my old job.
Money isn't everything, you need to look at the whole package before you start asking for more.
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VrsTurbo
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quote:
Originally posted by James
quote:
Originally posted by VrsTurbo
20k is good going for a grad job though is it not?!
Not really - I don't know that industry but most blue-chip grad schemes pay £30k+ and then a sign-on bonus on top of a few thousand.
[Edited on 10-04-2013 by James]
But thats down london is it not? I presume that his are midlands based jobs
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