Adam_B
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Its not.
Next please.
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Ben G
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i'd like the track elitists to please look up the word highlighted below, in the dictionary.
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Originally posted by Matt L
age old question, but which in your opinion is better?
sheer power or handling (this includes brakes), im sure i have seen a video where they show just what a difference handling mods make on a standard car around a track and it was quite substantial.
but which do you prefer?
take ak & fee for example, scooby can catch/go past the skyline in the corners however the straights come and its the skyline that pulls away.
now obiously a balance of both is best however if you could only have one which would you prefer? (not just track specific either, includes on a road car).
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neil h
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben G
i'd like one of the track elitists to tell me how handling is better than power when on a straight dual carriageway driving to work.
Surely that's irrelevant if you don't drive on dual carriageways to work.
Besides the max you can do is 70 
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Ben G
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quote:
Originally posted by neil h
quote:
Originally posted by Ben G
i'd like one of the track elitists to tell me how handling is better than power when on a straight dual carriageway driving to work.
Surely that's irrelevant if you don't drive on dual carriageways to work.
Besides the max you can do is 70
it's relevant to me.
it's still much better having power so you can get up to 70mph as soon as possible, or overtake slow people.
i had to drive an 82bhp fiesta on the same road for a year and it was a struggle compared to the z4. no need to drop down a gear just to overtake a lorry.
[Edited on 18-07-2012 by Ben G]
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Steve
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Lots of people getting waspy around here
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chris_uk
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yea its nice to have that feeling of power to put your foot down and off you swoosh, but personally for me the feeling of gripping at maximum lateral G is far superior and stringing together a couple of fast sweeping corners is aaaaah bliss. 
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chris_uk
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quote:
Originally posted by possy
what is the point of havin a car that handles if you dont have the power to pull your self out of a corner when you can get on to the straights other wise its poitntless
am i right or wrong or what
[Edited on 18-07-2012 by possy]
generally a better handling car will be able to carry more speed through a corner and this not need the extra power to compensate for the shit cornering. but add more power onto an already capable chassis and you have best of both worlds.
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neil h
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben G
it's relevant to me.
it's still much better having power so you can get up to 70mph as soon as possible, or overtake slow people.
i had to drive an 82bhp fiesta on the same road for a year and it was a struggle compared to the z4. no need to drop down a gear just to overtake a lorry.
[Edited on 18-07-2012 by Ben G]
Having ran a 45bhp corsa for 12 months I know that pain  That being said doing the same commute in an Astra VXR is no more exciting and the VXR has 5 times the power.
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chris_uk
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i ran a 1.0 micra for months so i know exactly what you mean.. but having such little power never took the fun away when i got to a b road.
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Nic Barnes
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i had a 1.2 corsa and it was utter tripe. i now have 240bhp diesel and its way more fun down b roads.
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Ben G
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you're lieing nic, no way, i don't believe it.
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chris_uk
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probably because the 240bhp diesel engine isnt in a corsa.. and is in something with a better chassis.
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Nic Barnes
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LOTS of corsa haters on a corsa website.
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Ash_EP3
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On the road: Power > Handling
On the track: Handling > Power
Whoever said karting is a level playing field is bollox... everytime I've been to different karting places the karts themselves seem to differ a fair bit from one another... for example the last place I went to I was the heaviest there by 6 stone and during round 1 I was .2 of a second off the quickest guy... round 2 in a different kart I was 1.5 secs off the quickest guy  I hate being heavy 
[Edited on 18-07-2012 by Ash_EP3]
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chris_uk
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quote:
Originally posted by Nic Barnes
LOTS of corsa haters on a corsa website.
i dont hate corsas.. i just know they handle shit.. sooner you come to realise this the better.
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Adam_B
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like thats ever going to happen
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possy
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quote:
Originally posted by chris_uk
quote:
Originally posted by possy
what is the point of havin a car that handles if you dont have the power to pull your self out of a corner when you can get on to the straights other wise its poitntless
am i right or wrong or what
[Edited on 18-07-2012 by possy]
generally a better handling car will be able to carry more speed through a corner and this not need the extra power to compensate for the shit cornering. but add more power onto an already capable chassis and you have best of both worlds.
what i was saying there is a 1.4 sport dont have enuf power to pull its self round a corner were as bigger power cars make use of having a quaif diff or any over make of diff so that when your coming out of a corner they can get straight onto the power whislt accelerating round the corner to get back onto full chat
and there is to many key board warriors in this post tooo
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Nic Barnes
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i still enjoy driving mine. it handles pretty well for what it is. notice the for what it is part before ego's and experts pipe up with dribble like previous pages.
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possy
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quote:
Originally posted by chris_uk
quote:
Originally posted by Nic Barnes
LOTS of corsa haters on a corsa website.
i dont hate corsas.. i just know they handle shit.. sooner you come to realise this the better.
Its all about who sets your car up and what you want it to do i no my car handles well ask timc909 or col04 they have took mine out loads of times and loved it evertime and fir col to say somthing is good it must be
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chris_uk
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Right so the diff is part of the handling.. It handles the way the power is put down. Take away the diff and you will have a car wheel spinning all over.
You cant compare a higher powered car with fancy diffs to a 1.4 corsa its nit the point and your kinda stating the obvious.
Look at it this way.
1.4 corsa 90 bhp - uprated suspension, tyres and brakes (handling)
To a
2.0t corsa 250 bhp - fancy engine but standard everything else
Its really a simple equasion, you put as much power in as the chassis will handle if you want more power you make the chassis capable.
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chris_uk
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quote:
Originally posted by Nic Barnes
i still enjoy driving mine. it handles pretty well for what it is. notice the for what it is part before ego's and experts pipe up with dribble like previous pages.
Yea but thats exactly the point.. For what it is its a fucking fwd corsa with a heavy ass engine slapped up front with 500 bhp its never going to handle well.
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chris_uk
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quote:
Originally posted by possy
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Originally posted by chris_uk
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Originally posted by Nic Barnes
LOTS of corsa haters on a corsa website.
i dont hate corsas.. i just know they handle shit.. sooner you come to realise this the better.
Its all about who sets your car up and what you want it to do i no my car handles well ask timc909 or col04 they have took mine out loads of times and loved it evertime and fir col to say somthing is good it must be
So again your talking about setting the car up and changing it from its standard handling characteristics to something more suited.
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Nic Barnes
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quote:
Originally posted by chris_uk
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Originally posted by Nic Barnes
i still enjoy driving mine. it handles pretty well for what it is. notice the for what it is part before ego's and experts pipe up with dribble like previous pages.
Yea but thats exactly the point.. For what it is its a fucking fwd corsa with a heavy ass engine slapped up front with 500 bhp its never going to handle well.
it has decent enough components to contend with it all.
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possy
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A diff is part of handling down to if it is set up correctly it will actulaly pull you round a corner therefor increase in handling
but you would put a c20let in a corsa with out changing the suspension or the brakes it would just be suiside
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chris_uk
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Nic - Whats that got to do with the cars dynamics??? Yea it might have well made components but it doesnt take away the fact its front wheel drive.
Fwd is a flawed system i dont care how much you want to sugar coat it. You cant expect the front axel to corner and put the power down better than a 4wd ir rwd application..
Why do you think f1 cars are rwd, for that matter why are 99% of race cars rwd or 4wd.??
Look just face it, your corsa might handle ok for what it is but in the grand scheme of things its right down at the bottom of the handling scale.
[Edited on 18-07-2012 by chris_uk]
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