DaveyLC
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The richest members make the biggest contribution, surely that's the fairest way?
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VrsTurbo
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What about switzerland. Not in the EU, has trade deals all around the EU no issues.
We will just join the EFTA if we leave yes we may have to pay for it but it swings both ways.
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Steve
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Originally posted by DaveyLC
The richest members make the biggest contribution, surely that's the fairest way?
http://s33.postimg.org/x2r10tidr/eu_revenue.png
Thats all very well, but surely the contributions should be greater than the takings
eg on a smaller scale
UK gives £10 takes £6
Poland gives £3 takes £5
How is that fair, the returns should be proportionally less too for countries giving less and it certainly shouldn't be greater than the input
Perhaps in certain circumstances when a country is hit by particular difficulties, that is the benefit of the EU to help out, however surely only two countries inputting and the rest taking out isn't a sign of a good system
[Edited on 06-06-2016 by Steve]
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3CorsaMeal
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@Mr Luck, Them graphs makes it look even worse.
Quite clearly shows we are the worst off
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DaveyLC
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The graphs were not put there to argue with the figures, they were put there to show that the richest states are subsidising the poorer, that's how life works in general.
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DaveyLC
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Originally posted by Steve
UK gives £10 takes £6
Poland gives £3 takes £5
10/10 for your maths skills.
Now if you were to plot these graphs against the export trade you'd see our export income from the EU is much much higher than that of Poland.
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DaveyLC
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Oh and to confuse matters more WE (the UK) are more dependant on the poorer EU states (Romania, Poland etc.) for our imports, they are the states with less democratic power so we have even less negotiating power based on trade if we leave.
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3CorsaMeal
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Am sure we can still buy stuff, if we have to pay them a little more, let it come from the money we save by not being in the EU. All works out lovely, they get a better price, we get the product, we don't have to be ruled by a committee of failed politicians
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DaveyLC
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We can buy stuff and sell it!, but duties will be in-place, customs declarations/processing will be more complex and prices will increase.
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Ojc
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Why though?
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3CorsaMeal
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Shouldn't really bother the general public, they aren't doing much trading deals with the EU.
So what if a bunch of bananas cost £1.80 instead of £1.60, that's the sort of thing we are talking about
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Steve
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Ellis
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Links from Facebook are about as valid as news articles from the Daily Mail. Not opening.
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DaveyLC
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Can I get a HELL YEAH???
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Steve
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People with stickers and signs outside their houses for both sides of the argument are wasting their time, you aren't going to sway people who are already decided and people that unsure aren't going to make up their minds either way based on a sticker or a sign
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IvIarkgraham
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Originally posted by VrsTurbo
What about switzerland. Not in the EU, has trade deals all around the EU no issues.
We will just join the EFTA if we leave yes we may have to pay for it but it swings both ways.
Took them years to agree trade deals! It's also expensive to live there
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3CorsaMeal
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Took them 2-3yrs. The EU Committee take an average of 8-10yrs, mainly because they are useless. Worst than woolworths.
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Ian
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They're also an eighth of the size of the UK.
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Ben G
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Davey, you do realise some retarded benefit claiming scrote is going to key your van now?
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RichR
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People still don't understand the difference between the movement of goods that we have now and a trade agreement; they're two totally different things. I ship out to every continent (incl. Antarctica) and it is so easy into the EU but the exception within the boundaries of Europe are Switzerland, Norway and Turkey which are all (in descending order) significantly more costly, difficult and slower to work with.
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Generation
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A sticker on a car will definitely change my vote. Let's just hope the right cars are parked in the right places when it comes to actually voting!!
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3CorsaMeal
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If i had just bought a campervan i would want free movement within the EU as well
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Nic Barnes
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I'm voting leave. Having to take a form in today to register for postal vote as I'm away on holiday on the day.
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DaveyLC
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quote:
Originally posted by RichR
People still don't understand the difference between the movement of goods that we have now and a trade agreement; they're two totally different things. I ship out to every continent (incl. Antarctica) and it is so easy into the EU but the exception within the boundaries of Europe are Switzerland, Norway and Turkey which are all (in descending order) significantly more costly, difficult and slower to work with.
People are clueless as to what actually goes on Rich.
Head down to any of the major air or sea ports and you'll see billions of pounds worth of goods being received, only a fraction of this is for the UK market, most of it is being handled, custom cleared and re-exported into the EU, this market is worth billions to the UK.
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willay
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quote:
Originally posted by RichR
People still don't understand the difference between the movement of goods that we have now and a trade agreement; they're two totally different things. I ship out to every continent (incl. Antarctica) and it is so easy into the EU but the exception within the boundaries of Europe are Switzerland, Norway and Turkey which are all (in descending order) significantly more costly, difficult and slower to work with.
Only posting a few parcels m8
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