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regulating E and cannabis is the only drugs I can see being a little better as a result of regulation. I still dont thin kthey should be made legal however
that still leaves coke, heroin, acid etc etc
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Steve
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so basically what your trying to say daimo, is people should be allowed to do what they want.
so in which case your general jist is that drugs should be legal to buy, and legal to use?
Should people be allowed to do what they want WITH THEIR OWN BODY....
Yes..
In terms of a general, do what you want, then no.
so basically, if people want to buy heroin, or coke they should be allowed? legally, is what your saying right?
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Welsh Dan
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Originally posted by VXR
Should people be allowed to do what they want WITH THEIR OWN BODY....
Yes..
Which I agree with, in principle. However, you have to then consider the users friends/families after they've overdosed or whatever, and even consider the victims of any crimes that they may commit to be able to pay for those drugs.
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Daimo B
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Which takes me back to guns comment.
Coke, Heroin, acid are far stronger drugs and have a much larger effect.
I wouldn't use any of those personnally, but some do. If they want to destroy themselves, fine, let them do it. Its their choice...
And thats what this whole thing is about. Your arguing about them being right or wrong. Thats not the issue, its the issue of choice and being able to make your own decision.
As I say, something I thought all our World Wars was to save?????
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pmsl if my mrs was sad enough to come on here, she'd blow you all away with why drugs are a drain on society, i think the drugs must have eaten most of your brains cells 
I very much doubt that anyone on here is the same level of drug user as the folk that your mrs deals with in rehab. As people have been saying all along, if you are aware of your limits and are of stable mind then you will get away with recreational drug use and have no problems. Nobody is having a pop at you for not partaking in a few class a's every now and then.
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i dont think you really grasp the slippery slope that getting on drugs can be do you daimo.
you give out a controlled substance such as E ok, thats fine, a lot of people will always want a bigger hit and then you will have more people using heroin, crack, etc, which can never be released as a controlled drug. So people will just buy more of it illegally than ever before
[Edited on 25-07-2007 by Steve]
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Looking back, i'm with Steve on this one.
Alcohol may well be addictive, but you'd need a larger amount, considering a smaller amount of a specific drug will get you hooked on it.
[Edited on 25-07-2007 by Welsh Dan]
So what, how many people who drink legal alcohol die because of it 
I'm sick of this thread. For the record though I have never said i'd legalise any drugs I was just trying (fuck knows why) to make steve think maybe he doesn't know everything. I'm quite sure that most drugs shouldn't be legalised but some are on much more of an even keel with other legal 'vices' than people who have never tried them seem to be able to comprehend. Steve your view is skewed by your mrs' 'bad view' and your lack of actual experience with any drugs yourself.
[Edited on 25-07-2007 by Tom]
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no drug should be legalised purely for the fact that you legalise one, people will look for a bigger hit and buy more of the other more hardcore drugs. As i said above
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Looking back, i'm with Steve on this one.
Alcohol may well be addictive, but you'd need a larger amount, considering a smaller amount of a specific drug will get you hooked on it.
[Edited on 25-07-2007 by Welsh Dan]
So what, how many people who drink legal alcohol die because of it
I'm sick of this thread. For the record though I have never said i'd legalise any drugs I was just trying (fuck knows why) to make steve think maybe he doesn't know everything. I'm quite sure that most drugs shouldn't be legalised but some are on much more of an even keel with other legal 'vices' than people who have never tried them seem to be able to comprehend. Steve your view is skewed by your mrs' 'bad view' and your lack of actual experience with any drugs yourself.
[Edited on 25-07-2007 by Tom]
I've never said that people don't die from alcohol abuse, but look at the quantities consumed here. It'd have to be a fairly large amount of alcohol (unless there was some underlying condition)
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Originally posted by Tom
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Originally posted by Welsh Dan
Looking back, i'm with Steve on this one.
Alcohol may well be addictive, but you'd need a larger amount, considering a smaller amount of a specific drug will get you hooked on it.
[Edited on 25-07-2007 by Welsh Dan]
So what, how many people who drink legal alcohol die because of it
I'm sick of this thread. For the record though I have never said i'd legalise any drugs I was just trying (fuck knows why) to make steve think maybe he doesn't know everything. I'm quite sure that most drugs shouldn't be legalised but some are on much more of an even keel with other legal 'vices' than people who have never tried them seem to be able to comprehend. Steve your view is skewed by your mrs' 'bad view' and your lack of actual experience with any drugs yourself.
[Edited on 25-07-2007 by Tom]
I've never said that people don't die from alcohol abuse, but look at the quantities consumed here. It'd have to be a fairly large amount of alcohol (unless there was some underlying condition)
And what, people can (and very often do) get addicted to alcohol and die at a later date after ruining there familieslives with alcoholism,is that better or worse. I think you will also probably find that the amount of people dying from taking ecstasy in one sitting is alot than you think.
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Originally posted by Welsh Dan
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Originally posted by VXR
Should people be allowed to do what they want WITH THEIR OWN BODY....
Yes..
Which I agree with, in principle. However, you have to then consider the users friends/families after they've overdosed or whatever, and even consider the victims of any crimes that they may commit to be able to pay for those drugs.
I can't give a straight cut answer to this, as your dead right. theres more than the individual to consider, but then isn't that also down to the person taking the drug to consider???
Its one of the areas that that needs to be considered, but then if more time, money, and research was put into it, surley these tradegys can be overcome.
Don't get me wrong, i know its not a case of jsut "making it legal". For 1, I doubt this countrys peopel have the mental maturity to enjoy in moderation. The chav society would love it, but like illegal cruises, people will take it too far and ruin it for everyone.
Its not clear cut, its not an easy thing, but like this government seems to do so well, push it under the carpet and pretend to ignore it.
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Originally posted by Steve
i dont think you really grasp the slippery slope that getting on drugs can be do you daimo.
you give out a controlled substance such as E ok, thats fine, a lot of people will always want a bigger hit and then you will have more people using heroin, crack, etc, which can never be released as a controlled drug. So people will just buy more of it illegally than ever before
I do Steve, but then im looking at it from my perspective, and im very councious about when too much is too much, and when a break or even complete quitting is needed. Im mentally strong enough to control it, the problem is, many others arn't.
I was told if I continued smoking, i'd be a hardcore addict by now.
So mr Police Sargent said...
Funny, still here, still not a hardcore addict. But he's a copper, he knows best? 
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Steve
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no, like i said weed doesnt really apply, i dont have much a problem with weed, i wouldnt care if its legalised or says banned tbh
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It'd have to be a fairly large amount of alcohol (unless there was some underlying condition)
A few shots after each other is all it takes........... I can assure you.
It depends on the person, which is different every time. Some people have higher thresholds than others, thats where the real problem is.
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no, like i said weed doesnt really apply, i dont have much a problem with weed, i wouldnt care if its legalised or says banned tbh
Not just weed, but this is what im saying. People who arn't in the know generalise.
Ooo that cars got alloys. Stupid boyracer...
People are quick to dismiss what they don't understand. I've not said what drugs should or should not be legalised, i've generalised. Its seems it would never be the publics decision on it anyway.
End of the day, none of this is gonna happen, but its an interesting topic non-the-less...
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One thing about drugs is i really dont get why its illegal to take them??
its your body if you want to take them what's it do to with police/goverment. only reason i can think off is they cant tax it?
the end off the day if they spent money on educating people on how to take them,and supplying safe drugs,there would be less deaths and money spent.
this has got to be the dumbest thing posted on the net. Whos money do you think pays for the rehab clinics? whos money pays for the methodone when dribbling messes turn up addicted.
the govt. has a duty to ensure the well being of his country, it wouldn't be very responsible if they said it was legal.
you dont control drugs, the control you
How is it the stupidest thing posted?
If i want to take drugs thats up to me i would off thought its my body not the goverments? what gives them the right to say i cant do them?
How wouldnt it be responsible to make drugs legal? 
Making drugs legal,would help wipe out crime,prostitution,organised crime.
Supplying safe drugs to the public would mean less deaths?
Educating people on how to take them safely,would mean less deaths again and less pressure on the NHS and doctors/nurses.
making them legal would mean the police could use their time better not having to waste their time charging people with possesion.
making them legal and supplying them at say a chemist would mean they could add tax on drugs,and spend this on drugs education and the nhs ?
so?
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Steve
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there wouldnt be less deaths, there would be more because people would move onto harder drugs.
maybe we should make all crime legal so police dont have to waste there time, dealing with burglars etc?
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no, like i said weed doesnt really apply, i dont have much a problem with weed, i wouldnt care if its legalised or says banned tbh
yes but weed is a drug, it is illegal, so why are you not tarring this with the same brush? surely using youir arguments this should also be as bad as heroin???
no one on here who have taken drugs are saying that they are good, they are stating that they have tried them and liked them, they (unlike you) are not judging people on taking/not taking them, i know it has been said before but, you really cannot comment on something that you dont have first hand knowledge of, you may think you know well enought because of your mrs, but.. that is a very biased opinion about hardcore drugs, not e's etc!!
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there wouldnt be less deaths, there would be more because people would move onto harder drugs.
maybe we should make all crime legal so police dont have to waste there time, dealing with burglars etc?
wouldnt be less deaths?
most people die from drugs from not taking them properly and overdosing etc,if educated properly im sure there would be less overdoses etc?
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skunk, weed. that is all.
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there wouldnt be less deaths, there would be more because people would move onto harder drugs.
maybe we should make all crime legal so police dont have to waste there time, dealing with burglars etc?
wouldnt be less deaths?
most people die from drugs from not taking them properly and overdosing etc,if educated properly im sure there would be less overdoses etc?
Yea I completely agree. I mean people are educated that they should only drink 2.5 units of alcohol a day and they do that. No one ever dies from drinking too much do they?
OPEN YOUR EYES YOU NAIVE IDIOT.
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Steve
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Originally posted by Steve
there wouldnt be less deaths, there would be more because people would move onto harder drugs.
maybe we should make all crime legal so police dont have to waste there time, dealing with burglars etc?
wouldnt be less deaths?
most people die from drugs from not taking them properly and overdosing etc,if educated properly im sure there would be less overdoses etc?
drugs are addictive, people take as much as they can because they are addicted, people overdose because they are addicted.
i doubt there is one drug user out there that doesnt know they are bad for them.
people wont take les because they are legal, if anything people will take more
[Edited on 25-07-2007 by Steve]
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there wouldnt be less deaths, there would be more because people would move onto harder drugs.
maybe we should make all crime legal so police dont have to waste there time, dealing with burglars etc?
Then that'd get rid of them for good then.
When i worked at Halfords i used to hate it when i saw a smack head walk in. I'd throw them out but on one time after i threw one of them out i was watching him, he pulled a big knife out.
So if they made smack legal they wouldn't have to steal to get money for their next hit. "burglars etc?" very much redused i'd say.
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Originally posted by nova_gteuk
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Originally posted by Steve
there wouldnt be less deaths, there would be more because people would move onto harder drugs.
maybe we should make all crime legal so police dont have to waste there time, dealing with burglars etc?
wouldnt be less deaths?
most people die from drugs from not taking them properly and overdosing etc,if educated properly im sure there would be less overdoses etc?
Yea I completely agree. I mean people are educated that they should only drink 2.5 units of alcohol a day and they do that. No one ever dies from drinking too much do they?
OPEN YOUR EYES YOU NAIVE IDIOT.
Cock 
i never said it would stop deaths would maybe reduce the amount of deaths?
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How, people are educated about the dangers of alcohol and how to take alcohol safely, yet more and more people go out and binge drink. Education is not the answer. Taxation and laws is.
People as a gross generalisation are addictive and stupid, they don't know when to say no and when to call things off.
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