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To confirm the 3 cameras (3rd being fixed), simply watch the footage as he walks in... take a good look at how much is in shot from the 1st camera man (notice not even the white base of the ball stand is in shot!!!) ... next it flicks to 2nd camera man... notice 1st camera man is not moving about or changing his view... flicks back to 1st camera man supposedly (but actually goes to 3rd fixed camera) - ... notice now we're further away, the white stand is in view and the software shaking starts!!
- once software shaking is used the sync is easy... the balls are made up off screen and swapped...
At the point the shaking freezes, it switchs off the overlay back to live. The end balls rises as the 2 pictures are different! (the set of balls you were looking at has changed).
Derren does some mis direction / most people are watching the tv screen.
- he returns to the balls and turns them around.
Notice how much of a mess these balls are in? the numbers are pointing all over the place! Why would he leave them like that if they were prepared way before the show airred?
Instead, the reason they are a mess in the rack is because someone has had a few seconds max to rush and place the balls (in order) in the rack! I believe derren notices this which is why he starts fiddling with the balls to straighten them up!
And ta da - the illusion is done.
It's very un derren brown, but the real trick will be on friday when he gives us a very clever, well thought out and logical way he predicted / did the stunt.
However, it'll be a smoke screen - we will know how he did it - he will never confirm it!
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Cosmo
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Paul, stop it now. Just stop it.
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Paul_J
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there you go... someone has done it with just basic equipment!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqAt2akPHJ8
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with camera shake!
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sc0ott
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most people probably know of this trick across the uk so why would he use something that people know of? just doesnt add up.
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Paul_J
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easiest way to 'do it'...
as I keep saying, he'll tell you something much more clever and sophisticated tommorrow evening ...
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Of course their are easy ways to do it, lots of things you see people do on TV, in real life, where ever have easy ways to do it, but that doesnt mean its how its done.
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Paul_J for president
Brown has ways of making people (cosmo) beleiving allsorts of crap that quite frankly is a lie
camera trick with said 50/50 footage
nothing else to it, why make it harder then it could be to do it?
awaits his bullshit friday "how I did it"...
he makes people beleive things that are not true, and is very good at it. end of
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Paul_J for president
Brown has ways of making people (cosmo) beleiving allsorts of crap that quite frankly is a lie
camera trick with said 50/50 footage
nothing else to it, why make it harder then it could be to do it?
awaits his bullshit friday "how I did it"...
he makes people beleive things that are not true, and is very good at it. end of
If you read what Ive written in here I dont for one minute think he has predicted the numbers, but at the same time I also done think all he has done is a crappy camera trick.
He gains nothing from faking it in such a way, in fact the only thing he would gain is his reputation being in tatters.
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i believe in some of his sh!t. take the thing he done with the people sitting around the table in the dark, this wasnt a fake.
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yeh but cosmo who will know he has done it with a camera trick?
he'll have some fantastic system / scheme that he'll announce on friday that'll make him sound like a absolute genius! probably presenting that luck could've meant he'd only got 4 or 5 balls - but luckily he got 6 (yeah right).
Fact is, on friday he's not gonna go 'hey yeh, that was a camera trick' it'd be too simple. That doesn't mean it was't done with a camera trick though!
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it IS a camera trick as there is 2 camera men but you only get to see it from one camera all the way through
swapping from one camera to another is impossible due to the frozen/looped left hand side of the screen
for any other way he got the numbers onto the balls after they had been announced then it would have been possible to show it on 2 camera angels
also the TV was on the right hand side, why not place it behind the balls where there is more room
plus if one guy was filming it so close, he would have used a tripod, but the movement made it easier to syn the different footage as Paul said
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at the end of the day, a true magician (or similar) never releaves his tricks...
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M2RTY
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PLUS the clear lack of shake at 5:55 is a clear indication that footage was tampered with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_2h4UH1qaM&feature=related
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quote:
Originally posted by M2RTY
it IS a camera trick as there is 2 camera men but you only get to see it from one camera all the way through
swapping from one camera to another is impossible due to the frozen/looped left hand side of the screen
Its not impossible at all, they could of switched between the two and still had a pre-recorded feed on the left hand side as you're suggesting was done on the one camera.
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Originally posted by M2RTY
at the end of the day, a true magician (or similar) never releaves his tricks...
He isnt a magician (or similar), thats the point.
[Edited on 10-09-2009 by Cosmo]
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AND:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_2h4UH1qaM&feature=related
if you watch when he switches between the 2 cameras he is stood in different places in relation to the TV AND the fucking white stand etc can NOT be seen before but can quite clearly be seen afterwards
camera man must have took 4 steps back fast...
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Originally posted by M2RTY
camera man must have took 4 steps back fast...
or pressed that magic button that zooms out?
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magician:
Magic is a performing art that entertains an audience by creating illusions of seemingly impossible[1] or supernatural[2] feats, using purely natural means. These feats are called magic tricks, effects or illusions.
One who performs such illusions is called a magician or an illusionist. Some performers may also be referred to by names reflecting the type of magical effects they present, such as prestidigitators, conjurors, mentalists, escape artists, and ventriloquists.
he calls himself whatever the fuck he wants, its classic magic tricks with the added element of brainwashing people into thinking otherwise
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quote:
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camera man must have took 4 steps back fast...
or pressed that magic button that zooms out?
why would he zoom out so quick and perfectly timed in less then a second? He didnt zoom in or out at any other point
plus brown is stood in a different place, he even laughs when moving his arms down
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To obvious that he's used tricky. Surely he knows people would pick up on it. Something more to it IMO.
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sc0ott
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one thing that does get me is if he did get them wrong then would he explain on friday 'how' he guessed them wrong?
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quote:
Originally posted by M2RTY
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Originally posted by Cosmo
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Originally posted by M2RTY
camera man must have took 4 steps back fast...
or pressed that magic button that zooms out?
why would he zoom out so quick and perfectly timed in less then a second? He didnt zoom in or out at any other point
plus brown is stood in a different place, he even laughs when moving his arms down
Maybe he was zooming out to get into the pre-agree filming position that they had rehearsed a number of times that day.
TBH you're trying to read in to all these little things that could mean anything to back up your view point, but it doesnt mean thats correct.
As has been said many times, something like that is too simple, and too obvious, for what he does. If that is what he has done (and it may turn out he did) then his reputation is gone. He'll never sell out another live show, ever.
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Agreed. He is a fucking idiot if all he has done is piss around with cameras
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Yup. if he has used old school amatuer camera trickery which everone knows the ins and outs of then his career will end.
a lot of people like him and love what he does, and i bet he has more things up his sleeve for future shows but why would he think about wasting it all for some low rated stunt?
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Yup. if he has used old school amatuer camera trickery which everone knows the ins and outs of then his career will end.
a lot of people like him and love what he does, and i bet he has more things up his sleeve for future shows but why would he think about wasting it all for some low rated stunt?
Exactly, he has already proved many times he is above that with some of the other stunts he has done...and then gone on to explain fully.
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