Rob_Quads
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What major parts does NHS Scotland not manage?
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Money, it is financed by a grant from the Treasury. The Treasury cuts the budget, we have no more to stop it.
and you will if you go independent? You can put more money into it obviously. Just like we 'can' in the UK at the moment but if you do that your going to have to cut other stuff or do you genuinely think your going to make a significant amount more money going independent.
This is a good example of where the Yes campaign doesn't really include any details. They say they will improve the NHS but when questioned as to where the extra money is going to come from there isn't an real answer. We know the real answer is other stuff has to be cut but that not such a good thing to shout about.
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Russ
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ROI are in a herendous mess.. That desperate they are allowing themselves to be shafted. There's newly built developments that lie less than a quarter sold (purpose built with schools to support them and new train platforms to allow commuting to Dublin) and it ha the highest emigration rate in the EU with over 250 people leaving a day..
What relevance does that have to Scotland and the Referendum? They're in a mess because of recession and they're fighting their way out of it. The articles showing ghost towns were from 2011 or 2012.
fighting their way to the airports. Fact.
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Hammer
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The Scottish Government were in charge of the tram system build in Edinburgh. How did that go? £375M over budget and 3 years late.
It would be hard to argue that a Scottish Government will be no better/worse at wasting money than Westminster.
At least we will have wasted it by making our own decisions.
I don't think an argument about wasting funds will stand up very will if you are going to draw a comparison. Olympics v Commonwealth Games a topical example.
Stats from July 2013. The cost of hosting the games was £8.9bn and at that point related trade and investment sat at a healthy £9.9bn. Estimates (albeit presumably optimistic) predict a final figure of up to £40bn generated
My point was/is the budgets set for each event not the economic benefit. I understand they're on a different scale but the money spent on an Olympics the people didn't really want was astronomical.
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Hammer
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What major parts does NHS Scotland not manage?
[Edited on 11-09-2014 by Rob_Quads]
Money, it is financed by a grant from the Treasury. The Treasury cuts the budget, we have no more to stop it.
and you will if you go independent? You can put more money into it obviously. Just like we 'can' in the UK at the moment but if you do that your going to have to cut other stuff or do you genuinely think your going to make a significant amount more money going independent.
This is a good example of where the Yes campaign doesn't really include any details. They say they will improve the NHS but when questioned as to where the extra money is going to come from there isn't an real answer. We know the real answer is other stuff has to be cut but that not such a good thing to shout about.
You asked which major part of the NHS do we not control, the answer is the most crucial part - its finances.
As I've said elsewhere we generate more GDP per capita than the UK as a whole as things stand, it then stands to reason without any mention of redistribution of finance or cuts from elsewhere that we will have more money to spend from day one.
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I'm not really following the logic there. What does it matter if it cost £8.9bn or £8? The simple undeniable fact is that it has brought in more money than it cost. Whether people wanted it or not doesn't really matter as much if it's profitable.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of projects that go well over budget and are a complete waste of time. Both Scotland and England are well capable of these, as they have demonstrated many times before.
[Edited on 11-09-2014 by Pop]
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Hammer
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ROI are in a herendous mess.. That desperate they are allowing themselves to be shafted. There's newly built developments that lie less than a quarter sold (purpose built with schools to support them and new train platforms to allow commuting to Dublin) and it ha the highest emigration rate in the EU with over 250 people leaving a day..
What relevance does that have to Scotland and the Referendum? They're in a mess because of recession and they're fighting their way out of it. The articles showing ghost towns were from 2011 or 2012.
fighting their way to the airports. Fact.
Of course they are, can't remember if I said it in this thread or another but they have a highly educated workforce and there are no jobs to accommodate them due to the financial crisis of 2008. It's irrelevant to Scotland though.
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Rob_Quads
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but the money spent on an Olympics the people didn't really want was astronomical.
What the people want plays a tiny factor into it and will continue to whether you go indepedant or not. The Olympics were the perfect example of why this is the case - "People" were saying "Oh that could have been spent on education etc" when in fact we will have MORE money having staged it than we did before.
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It's funny watching Hammer getting upset 
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It's funny watching Hammer getting upset
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Hammer
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I couldn't be cooler 
It's even funnier no one cared until a Poll suggested Independence was a possibility now everyone gives a fuck about Scotland all of a sudden
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Hammer
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I'll just leave this here....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIQ8VVn8AJA
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Ian
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Pronounces 'th' as 'v'. Turned it off.
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Hammer
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I can't legislate for him coming from Norfolk unfortunately. 
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I couldn't be cooler
It's even funnier no one cared until a Poll suggested Independence was a possibility now everyone gives a fuck about Scotland all of a sudden
Don't kid yourself.
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I couldn't be cooler
It's even funnier no one cared until a Poll suggested Independence was a possibility now everyone gives a fuck about Scotland all of a sudden
Don't kid yourself.
Thank you for your valued input.
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You're welcome.
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I've not read this thread, mainly because it doesn't affect me and Scotland can do what they want, however, on the radio on the way home they mentioned that the Scotish banks wan't to leave and move down to England so the Bank of England can bail them out should things go sour. They said there wasn't enough money in Scotland for the security of the banks. They also want to keep the currency.
Now I'm sure the currency issue has already been covered, but doesn't what the banks want verge on farcical?
You either want out or you don't. I'm going to leave my job and go self employed, but I want my current employer to keep paying me. 
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I can't help think this is just a massive wast of money. Could build of new school with the money being spent on these two campaigns.
At the end of the day Scotland will face the same problems as the rest of us - big bills(education and nhs or will that be shs) and not enough money coming in
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http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/11/kim-jock-un-north-korea-backs-scottish-independence-4865147/
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http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/11/kim-jock-un-north-korea-backs-scottish-independence-4865147/
Should I even read on after they called him 'Kim Jock-Un' in their headline
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Originally posted by Hammer
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Originally posted by Russ
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Originally posted by Hammer
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ROI are in a herendous mess.. That desperate they are allowing themselves to be shafted. There's newly built developments that lie less than a quarter sold (purpose built with schools to support them and new train platforms to allow commuting to Dublin) and it ha the highest emigration rate in the EU with over 250 people leaving a day..
What relevance does that have to Scotland and the Referendum? They're in a mess because of recession and they're fighting their way out of it. The articles showing ghost towns were from 2011 or 2012.
fighting their way to the airports. Fact.
Of course they are, can't remember if I said it in this thread or another but they have a highly educated workforce and there are no jobs to accommodate them due to the financial crisis of 2008. It's irrelevant to Scotland though.
you claimed ROI were doing fine on their own, this is not correct
[Edited on 11-09-2014 by Russ]
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Russ
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I'll just leave this here....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIQ8VVn8AJA
thanks, show me the one with the bloke playing the guitar instead, he was more entertaining
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Originally posted by Hammer
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Originally posted by Russ
ROI are in a herendous mess.. That desperate they are allowing themselves to be shafted. There's newly built developments that lie less than a quarter sold (purpose built with schools to support them and new train platforms to allow commuting to Dublin) and it ha the highest emigration rate in the EU with over 250 people leaving a day..
What relevance does that have to Scotland and the Referendum? They're in a mess because of recession and they're fighting their way out of it. The articles showing ghost towns were from 2011 or 2012.
fighting their way to the airports. Fact.
Of course they are, can't remember if I said it in this thread or another but they have a highly educated workforce and there are no jobs to accommodate them due to the financial crisis of 2008. It's irrelevant to Scotland though.
you claimed ROI were doing fine on their own, this is not correct
[Edited on 11-09-2014 by Russ]
Did I fuck Are you making things up in your head?
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Russ
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The ROI are thriving by offering tax cuts to big business, hence why Google and other huge US technology companies are spending hundreds of millions on premises over there
making it up mcdaid
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Russ
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problem is, you are answering the questions you want to answer, and avoiding the others.. you're like first minister
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