Ian
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when I chip my GTI I would get it to 225-230bhp
And you'll have the same problem that the Astra does now?
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Ian
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lets be honest, u missed an ugly red car that couldnt handle the track 
Didn't think the Golf was timed on that show?
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Carr
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Not a fan of the Golf then Ian 
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chris-sri
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Was the vxr just twitchy in the corners? Sorry I missed it.
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Ian
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I'm not really going to pass judgement as I've not driven a Golf or CTR for that matter. I've driven loads of Astras and I know they're OK, and I'm sure the H is better than the G was, so I can't see the VXR being all that terrible. Obviously if you're dramatising for TV you keep it nailed through the bends but mine wouldn't even let me do that. TC would kick in well before you even break traction on the inside wheel and understeer is non-existant with ESP working, I can throw the wheel half a turn on a wet roundabout going far too fast and the car just sorts itself out. It would not sit understeering like that VXR did.
I'm sure 240bhp in a FWD chassis is too much but the main thing is, its quicker from the lights than the others. Its also a Vauxhall so they'll be 10995 in 12 months, which is when I'll be buying one.
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Paul_J
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Thing I found amusing is the telegraph driving suplement, (who clarkson writes for) usually runs quite parrallel with Top Gear reviews.
In that article in the paper it said the VXR was much better than the golf not only in speed but handling too.
Yet top gear slag it off? to be honest if it's not german on top gear it usually gets a slagging, they love their Mercs, BMW's, VW's and audis.
Paul J
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chris-sri
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£10,995 for a 1 year old car with 240 bhp will be a bargain. Thinking about one of these in a couple of years when the insurance companies won't hang up on me
[Edited on 24-07-2005 by chris-sri]
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Ian
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I was being cantankerous but yeah, they will drop in price.
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chris-sri
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Oops dropped the ball there
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Hammer
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dont take what clarkson says as gospel, his opinion may be better than the average joe's but he'll be gettin backhanders all over the place, dont be fooled.
I've also noticed reading comments then generally people that own or have owned certain cars always stick up for them, fair enough but i dont think thats grounds for judging it over a car you've never driven. Based on looks, i'd personally choose the astra and thats an unbiased view.
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
Thing I found amusing is the telegraph driving suplement, (who clarkson writes for) usually runs quite parrallel with Top Gear reviews.
In that article in the paper it said the VXR was much better than the golf not only in speed but handling too.
Yet top gear slag it off? to be honest if it's not german on top gear it usually gets a slagging, they love their Mercs, BMW's, VW's and audis.
Paul J
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12929-1695441,00.html
"That said, had you given a front-drive car this much power and torque even 10 years ago the result would almost certainly have been undriveable, while the Astra simply requires a modicum of restraint to contain."
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Robbo
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
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when I chip my GTI I would get it to 225-230bhp
And you'll have the same problem that the Astra does now?
No, thats why I'm not taking it to 240bgp, it'll be able to handle 225bhp easy so I shall probly aim for that... besides the Golf handles much better than the Astra so probly would be able to take more... as for the ugly cvomment, I think your confused 
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mazdaspeed
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Was the VXR faster than the CTR?
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Robbo
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Straight line yes, I dont think it was round the track... but to be fair the astra does have 40bhp more
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Tom
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I still reckon the astra would be quicker than a ctr round the track.
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Tom
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps/
Not on their yet, it was quicker than 1.36 tho 
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Robbo
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ShiT! Was faster than the R32 so must have been, fk knows how!
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Tom
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240 bhp maybe
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3CorsaMeal
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it was near the lotus elise i thought
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Robbo
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240 bhp maybe
Yesh but it was pants on the track :S
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Ian
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ShiT! Was faster than the R32 so must have been, fk knows how!
More power, ummmmmm  better handling 
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Robbo
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More like the R32 weighs as much as Afghanistan  Same power IIRC
Was watching Top Gear again just now, seriously, that was awful on the track, completely missed one corner an off the track 5 times
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Ian
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You asked how the Astra was faster than the R32, I merely suggested a few reasons off the top of my head. Everyone knows a mega powerful engine in a FWD hatchback is a mere marketing exercise and not usable on the road, Vauxhall would never do such a thing 
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Robbo
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My comment was a rhetorical BTW
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jr
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as much as i love the vauxhall, the golf IMO is just such a nice car in every way i wouldnt hessitate in having one
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