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Author A simple list of our 1.4/1.6 16v dyno results
Steve
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18th Oct 06 at 16:23   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
so you would rather carry on deluded with people laughing at you than be corrected

ps. nothing to do with your power results L30 they seem reasonable enough

[Edited on 18-10-2006 by Steve]
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nobody is calling him a liar, just saying that the rolling road was not accurate.

my engine made 177 bhp last time it was on a RR but that means nothing at all as any rolling roads exept Dyno Dynamics and Dynojet are never going to be accurate and consistent.

Dyno Dynamics UK sent a car to 15 different rolling roads and collected printouts from them all. the standard power of the car was 197bhp. results came back ranging from 190 bhp to 220 bhp. It was then run on 10 Dyno Dynamics rolling roads as a test (they regularly secretly check that their RR owners are not fiddling things) results came back ranging from 188bhp to 192bhp. this is normal amount of variance due to humidity and air temps etc...

chances are that with those mods donnas corsa would have made 150ish bhp. so 10 bhp out isnt a massive amount, about 14.5% over read which isnt a lot considering tyre pressure and humidity could easily account for 10% either way.
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how are they being lied to steve? that what the machine said isnt it....

its never going to be 100% accurate but people dont need your smart arsed comments everytime they post something
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smart arsed? im just stating the way it is

im not calling them liars
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so are you cupra's 228bhp and 241lb/ft results more accurate than anyone elses results?
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if you read my thread you will see the reasons why my I had my rolling road done, and yes it was done at a reputable place so its reasonably accurate.

It was there that i learned about dodgy rolling roads a few years ago

[Edited on 18-10-2006 by Steve]
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another example is this:

mine made 155 bhp @ 7000rpm when we were playing around on the rollers the other day. took the filters off and it made 148 bhp as the air/fuel mixture had been upset. even opening and closing the bonnet or turning the big fan in front of the car on and off made a difference of 5% in power.

Rolling roads are usefull for the following:

1, mapping and setting up engines
2. diagnostics
3. RR shootouts.

number 3 is good because you have a group of cars being tested on the same machine on the same day. the results can ONLY be used to compare against other cars there that were run on the day.

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agreed, dave a finally gets it, iv been arguing this for years

[Edited on 18-10-2006 by Steve]
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Right so nobody's power figures are correct,

ok


Steve says so.

[Edited on 18-10-2006 by ShEp]
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Northampton MS + Accurate RR in the same sentence

My STANDARD 1.4 made 98bhp on their RR. a whole 10bhp up on standard
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johnscorsaxe x14xe 115bhp 100lbft
Robin X14XE 116bhp 96lb/ft
Robin X16XE 130bhp 123lb/ft
RobHayes Z16XE 160bhp
Dave A X16XE 177bhp 127lb/ft
Rhino X14XE 110bhp 100lbft
Damien X14XE 95bhp 100lb ft
Donna C16XE 109bhp 110lb ft
Donna C16XE 114bhp 112lb ft
Donna C16XE 161bhp 119lb ft
Stoneyginger X14XE 105bhp 101lb ft (Air Filter, Decat, Back Box)
5chaap2k x16xe 155,04bhp (mantzel, cams, rr-chip, fpr, decat)
Andy x16xe 215bhp (ask his bank manager )


Just posting for Andy as i know he dosent come on much

[Edited on 18-10-2006 by BeArDy]
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another thing worth mentioning is that vaux tested the x14xe and x16xe engines on an engine dyno (engine out of the car) with no waterpump, alternator. power steering or aircon.

so even their claimed 106 bhp wasnt a true reflection of the power it made when it was in the car with ancilliaries attatched.

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Ok So a X16XE puts out 104-5 ish as std
wat will it be roughly after an air filter,de-cat and a manifold?? 115-120??
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probably closer to 100ish as standard
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave A
probably closer to 100ish as standard


so wat about with the mods i listed then?
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about 110.
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
about 110.


really 10 BHP from those 3 mods, i spose it the inlet tht does the magic
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quote:
Originally posted by BeArDy
johnscorsaxe x14xe 115bhp 100lbft
Robin X14XE 116bhp 96lb/ft
Robin X16XE 130bhp 123lb/ft
RobHayes Z16XE 160bhp
Dave A X16XE 177bhp 127lb/ft
Rhino X14XE 110bhp 100lbft
Damien X14XE 95bhp 100lb ft
Donna C16XE 109bhp 110lb ft
Donna C16XE 114bhp 112lb ft
Donna C16XE 161bhp 119lb ft
Stoneyginger X14XE 105bhp 101lb ft (Air Filter, Decat, Back Box)
5chaap2k x16xe 155,04bhp (mantzel, cams, rr-chip, fpr, decat)
Andy x16xe 215bhp (ask his bank manager )
L30 SCT c16xe/x16xe 143bhp before chip
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
dodgy european RR's


dont they measure in PS???
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johnscorsaxe x14xe 115bhp 100lbft
Robin X14XE 116bhp 96lb/ft
Robin X16XE 130bhp 123lb/ft
RobHayes Z16XE 160bhp
Dave A X16XE 177bhp 127lb/ft
Rhino X14XE 110bhp 100lbft
Damien X14XE 95bhp 100lb ft
Donna C16XE 109bhp 110lb ft
Donna C16XE 114bhp 112lb ft
Donna C16XE 161bhp 119lb ft
Stoneyginger X14XE 105bhp 101lb ft (Air Filter, Decat, Back Box)
5chaap2k x16xe 155,04bhp (mantzel, cams, rr-chip, fpr, decat)
Andy x16xe 215bhp (ask his bank manager )
L30 SCT c16xe/x16xe 143bhp before chip
DHdev C16XE 169bhp 119.4lb ft
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quote:
Originally posted by dhdev
johnscorsaxe x14xe 115bhp 100lbft
Robin X14XE 116bhp 96lb/ft
Robin X16XE 130bhp 123lb/ft
RobHayes Z16XE 160bhp
Dave A X16XE 177bhp 127lb/ft
Rhino X14XE 110bhp 100lbft
Damien X14XE 95bhp 100lb ft
Donna C16XE 109bhp 110lb ft
Donna C16XE 114bhp 112lb ft
Donna C16XE 161bhp 119lb ft
Stoneyginger X14XE 105bhp 101lb ft (Air Filter, Decat, Back Box)
5chaap2k x16xe 155,04bhp (mantzel, cams, rr-chip, fpr, decat)
Andy x16xe 215bhp (ask his bank manager )
L30 SCT c16xe/x16xe 143bhp before chip
DHdev C16XE 169bhp 119.4lb ft
broster x16xe 190bhp cant rememvber torque (tbs head 288 cams etc)
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quote:
Originally posted by csweatherston
quote:
Originally posted by Steve
dodgy european RR's


dont they measure in PS???


your right..

and the dyno is accurate (run @ mantzel after RR-chipping)
see my project on smallblockxe.com for printout

it's 155,04 PS (cant find that converter thingy)

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