shane_o
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y's my comment a bad one? i may have used a bad example but a better example would be the 1.4 i4 renalut 5 gt engine? few of these up arround 300bhp people get 200bhp from the little dihatsu 3cyl turbo ffs and that american fwd drag stuff with stilly power 4 pots, all im saying is yes it looks well done but 310bhp if proven isnt all that much from a 1.8 engine
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Marc
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I'd quit whilst you're behind.
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mwg
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quote:
Originally posted by shane_o
y's my comment a bad one? i may have used a bad example but a better example would be the 1.4 i4 renalut 5 gt engine? few of these up arround 300bhp people get 200bhp from the little dihatsu 3cyl turbo ffs and that american fwd drag stuff with stilly power 4 pots, all im saying is yes it looks well done but 310bhp if proven isnt all that much from a 1.8 engine
its not bad for a 1.8 that wasn't originally intended to have a turbo 
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Jambo
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quote:
Originally posted by shane_o
y's my comment a bad one? i may have used a bad example but a better example would be the 1.4 i4 renalut 5 gt engine? few of these up arround 300bhp people get 200bhp from the little dihatsu 3cyl turbo ffs and that american fwd drag stuff with stilly power 4 pots, all im saying is yes it looks well done but 310bhp if proven isnt all that much from a 1.8 engine
Because dragsters are not road cars.
Thats like saying an F1 car isnt as impressive as a dragster because the dragsters have 1000bhp and the f1 cars only have 700.
Its irrelevant.
Its an impressive engine! Get over it!
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Cybermonkey
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 what about the fact hes aiming for a reliable 400bhp...
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Daimo B
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If 2.0 16v Turbos are running 900bhp odd these days, i can see what the blokes saying.
300bhp isn't all that much really when 2.0's are putting out immensly more power. They've just had the tuning developemtn done, where as most peopel would opt for a 2.0 Turbo instead of modifying a 1.8 engine...
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Cybermonkey
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daimo, the Z18XE has barely been out for 2 years, its a testament to the strength of these family2 engines that they can cope with massive power from retrofitted turbocharging
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Marc
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Exactly, retro fit turbo. The 2.0 already had one. Getting a reliable 300bhp+ from the 1.8 by turboing it is pretty impressive in my opinion.
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Daimo B
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Not really...
Its like most of the seriously large powered 2.0 16v Turbos... (Brazil Mk4 AStra, SA Mk2 Astra etc...).
They don't use LET's, thye use modified XE's... Not becuase they are any better, but because you have to change so many parts from the LET, its easier and cheaper to start with the XE and build it straight up with the bits...
End of the day though, its a 300+bhp 1.8 16v FWD, it'll be a beast and be all over the road. Sounds like fun to me, SHOTGUN
[Edited on 24-10-2006 by VXR]
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Cybermonkey
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you skip past the bit about the tricky LSD daimo 
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Daimo B
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Dude, its 300+bhp, diff or no diff, it'll be "entertaining" to drive
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Cybermonkey
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fuck yeah  i want it
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Rob H
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
daimo, the Z18XE has barely been out for 2 years, its a testament to the strength of these family2 engines that they can cope with massive power from retrofitted turbocharging
Is that the Z18XE that's been in C's since they were first released in 2000
Still not bad going, getting big reliable power from a normally N/A engine.
Any sign of an engine spec, and a rough esimate how much he's spent on parts, and how much of it is 1 off's?
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Ste L
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quote:
Originally posted by shane_o
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Originally posted by corsa-sxi
saw this on ccuk a while back, its amazin from a 1.8
why is that amazing for a 1.8? mazda rx7's commonly make over 500hp and there 1.3's, its not the engine size that matters bhp wise its what you do to it
1.3 per rotor, and they are twin rotary, which has an equivalent of 2.6 L displacement 
so not really a 1.3
[Edited on 24-10-2006 by Ste_16v]
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Robin
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654cc displacement in to comustion 'chamber' times 2 = 1304cc.
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Marc
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quote:
Originally posted by Rob H
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
daimo, the Z18XE has barely been out for 2 years
Is that the Z18XE that's been in C's since they were first released in 2000
Maybe he means in Australia? Or maybe you've just owned him
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Ste L
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Originally posted by Robin
654cc displacement in to comustion 'chamber' times 2 = 1304cc.
i was reading the comparison, oops,
basically its the same as a 2.6 in displacement then
It takes 3 rotations of the eccentric shaft to complete one engine cycle, however. In 2 rotations of the eccentric shaft, comparable to 2 crankshaft rotations on a 4-stroke piston engine, the 13B would displace 2.6 liters. Mazda advertises the 13B as a 1.3 liter engine, which is the volume displaced during a single rotation of the eccentric shaft.
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SportBoy
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looks nice n tidy  should be more power available too if they boost it up more . should be good for 400+ that turbo .. sod the gearbox lol
[Edited on 24-10-2006 by SportyBoy]
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Rob H
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quote:
Originally posted by Ste_16v
i was reading the comparison, oops,
basically its the same as a 2.6 in displacement then
It takes 3 rotations of the eccentric shaft to complete one engine cycle, however. In 2 rotations of the eccentric shaft, comparable to 2 crankshaft rotations on a 4-stroke piston engine, the 13B would displace 2.6 liters. Mazda advertises the 13B as a 1.3 liter engine, which is the volume displaced during a single rotation of the eccentric shaft.
Still only intakes 654cc for each combustion cycle though, and that's what actually counts. There's two rotors, hence 1308cc
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Ste L
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i know, robin posted basically same thing, i was reading comparison's...
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Robin
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my maths was shit as well 
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Ste L
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close enough though
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shane_o
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
If 2.0 16v Turbos are running 900bhp odd these days, i can see what the blokes saying.
300bhp isn't all that much really when 2.0's are putting out immensly more power. They've just had the tuning developemtn done, where as most peopel would opt for a 2.0 Turbo instead of modifying a 1.8 engine...
thankyou someone with some sense, im not comparing it to a dragster or anything like that im just saying that 300 hp isnt much of a achivment, and as for the engine that aint maent to be turbocharged to start with there is no relivence at all, qrew's cally t is a c20xe thats been modified in the same way this has basically and its 569 bhp atm till he gets his new turbo to aim for arround 650 safly
its a very good acomplishment for a z18xe but its not amazing thats all i was putting across
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Marc
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How is it not an achievement? The power output has being doubled on a car that tuning options are very thin on the ground for.
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shane_o
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read the last line of my post?
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