quote:

---

Originally posted by Teddy
C20LET

---Points for - Supercar performance in a light Corsa shell, tuning opportunites to take to make serious power, masses of torque.

---Points against - "Protecting" a turbo agaist long hard abuse (thinking the ring here) concerns me greatly, these engines were never designed to take long hard abuse round a track and i think serious cash could be involved to get it to do this.

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by VXR
Monkey, how is a 350bhp FWD lightweight corsa going to handle on track??????

Teddy, XEV is far better than the small block still. Im un-sure why your so un-interested in it if your wanting to build a track car? It'll be less work than a 1.8 conversion, has more power, more performance, and practically the same weight and age...

IMO, your options are only a 2.0 NA engine. XEV practically is a small block anyway

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by willay
why jr? cause you are surrounded by a bunch of southern cunts?

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by Robin


why? the Z18 and Z18XE1 both go in on standard mounts

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by VXR
Turbo engines deliver the power in huge dollops low down the rev range. When your exiting a corner, you don't want a huge surge in power, you want a smooth power delivery.

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by VXR
Thats where many of these replied are going? V6 etc... You can't just do things like that with a track car...

You need car balance, sharpness, handling, quick response, smooth power.... Turbo engines CAN be made to do this, if your a race team, with your own RR, your own setup station, and £1000's of pound worth of adjustable suspension... Teddy doesn't have this Does anyone here??? A track car isn't just a case of putting a big engine in a car and driving (or trying to)....

...Turbo engines are fine on track (i thought i'd already said this), but not for a sub 1 tonne FWD Corsa.... It'll just spin up and be very hard to drive, control, and get round a track quickly...

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by pomada

That's a question of setup. You have a myriad of turbo sizes to chose. Also you have the size and function of your engine...high flow headers for example.

WE're talking about a practically standard engine here, C20LET, kkk16 turbo, probably phase 2. A LET will not work well in a Corsa Track car.
Again, there's no cientifical proof of such tale that turbo engine don't work on track. And, I don't know why you keep saying that the car needs to be heavy to traction. That's total empirical and have no relation with reality.

Each tire have a amount of traction, and how much more weight you put over it, more he looses on traction - fact, please consider in buy a book explaining how a tire work arund a track.

I know how a tyre damn well works, and a Turbo engine weighs a lot, causes MASSIVE understear which is quite hard to sort out on a normal corsa, let alone one with an engine about 50+kg over the standard engine weight, and its even further forward over the front wheels. It WILL not handle on track. We have a 2.0 16v AND a 2.0 16v Turbo corsa, so im quite aware on how both cars will handle.

If what you are saying was truth, turbo engines wouldn't been forbidden or limited on the competition. Doesn't matter if the has the traction on 4, 3, 6 or 8 wheels, turbo engines on the same size always are faster around a track.

I disagree.... Quite a lot as well. If this was the case, why arn't all motor racing sports done using turbochargers?? Hardly any form of track motorsport uses turbo, ok the Leon Cupra Cup, and SOME of the GT series racing cars, but otherwise, people do not use them that often.

I'm not tolding you my experience against my dude twinturbo master blaster car, I'm only talking about the cars racing around.

We're talking about a track specific race car, we say track as in Silverstone Race track, or your Brazillian GP circuit Sao Largos

Sure, Teddy is not from a mega team, doesn't have the money or time do develop the best fwd car of all time...but, he asked for a opinion on how develop his car. And my opinion is not equal to yours, that's normal.

Yup, thats fair enough fella, but i still highly disagree from experience that a LET may produce an overal faster lap time due to more power on the straights, but set both cars at the same power, and the NA engine will perform better on track as its more drivable.

1.6 16v turbo can be really enjoyable, the torque curve can be modified with different turbo size, that's why is important the think a lot and talk a lot more before choose your turbo.

If you think you have to much or to little torque, you can lower or raise the pressure. Very simple to be honest.

I'm not saying is the best choice for Tedy, only offering him my point of view. Turbo cars are nice, and are not overpriced to built as you are intending to say.

They are over here dude, its very expensive over here to do pretty much most things to your car, especially a engine tuned one. What your talking about requires money, and lots of it. Most people only use 1 form of turbo on the X16 engines over here. You guys turbo everything, 1.0, 1.2's, i've seen so many images from Brazil. Over here, we've probably got 10 turbo'd 1.6 16v Corsas at the max. Its a lot cheaper and more benificial to jsut go with a larger engine.

And turbo have a lot of changeable factors, wich can make we learn a lot about our car, traction and power.

Yeah, you can change a lot more with turbocharges, but, as said, its money, time, setting up.. I think Teddy wants a good platform to start from, them improve on, and in my opinion, an NA engine is the way forward.

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by John
VXR is your fwd turbo not the best thing since a go kart out on track?

---

quote:

---

And for those that can't read what im saying, im not saying turbo are bad, im saying FWD, 200+bhp, huge dollops of torque, not smooth, and in a Corsa will not work.

---