ssj_kakarot
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Originally posted by Andrew
My opinion is to give the badgers vouchers for food, they will soon get off there bum and get a job.
yeah i have though this just give them food and clothes vouchers, should only be allowd to get cheap food and cheap clothes.
people who dont work (without a genuine reason) shouldnt have the money to be able to buy whatever they want.
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Robin
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the problem there is, the people with a genuine reason, would get fuck all.
if you've paid NI, you're entitled to something in return, that is what it's for, partly.
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All Torque
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Originally posted by ssj_kakarot
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Originally posted by Andrew
My opinion is to give the badgers vouchers for food, they will soon get off there bum and get a job.
yeah i have though this just give them food and clothes vouchers, should only be allowd to get cheap food and cheap clothes.
people who dont work (without a genuine reason) shouldnt have the money to be able to buy whatever they want.
I like the way you two think 
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M2RTY
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people on the dole should be forced to work, do anything, clean the streets, dig holes, the country is a mess and needs alsorts doing
tax fatty foods
tax cigs higher
lower car tax/petrol
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Danny W
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Originally posted by Jas16v
Public places is where is matters 
I went out last night only went to 2 pubs came out smelling like a SUPERKING! horrible!
dont get me started  went out with the mrs for dinner & a group of people came and sat at the table next to us puffing away all night! in the fooking non smoking section!
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All Torque
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Originally posted by Danny W
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Originally posted by Jas16v
Public places is where is matters
I went out last night only went to 2 pubs came out smelling like a SUPERKING! horrible!
dont get me started went out with the mrs for dinner & a group of people came and sat at the table next to us puffing away all night! in the fooking non smoking section!
Back in October when I took the missus to the cinema there were 2 lads smoking a couple of rows down
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Andrew
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Originally posted by Robin
the problem there is, the people with a genuine reason, would get fuck all.
if you've paid NI, you're entitled to something in return, that is what it's for, partly.
Yeah, this is also true. But, if they are long term sick then maybe after 3 years or so they could get some money as well as vouchers.
The system is wrong! But we have no say, just an opinion 
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drunkenfool
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Originally posted by STEvieXE
i gave up two weeks ago after readin the easy way to give up smoking book by allen carr and it has changed my attitude to it and i am very happy now as a non smoker
Ditto, gave up about 6 weeks ago now I think! I think raising the age is a great idea, it obviously won't stop everyone, but it has to have some effect on the underage and generally young smokers, and the less young people that start the better to be fair, makes perfect sense to me 
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Robin
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Originally posted by Andrew
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Originally posted by Robin
the problem there is, the people with a genuine reason, would get fuck all.
if you've paid NI, you're entitled to something in return, that is what it's for, partly.
Yeah, this is also true. But, if they are long term sick then maybe after 3 years or so they could get some money as well as vouchers.
The system is wrong! But we have no say, just an opinion
yeah, that's not a bad plan.
or maybe a doctors note should be required for claiming money?
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Andrew
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But do you not have to get a doctors note in the first place to prove you are sick and then after some time, you are sent to see a special doctor who also gives you the once over?
You would still get badgers working on the side and taking the vouchers IMO. In my Nan's day, you used to get nothing off the state.
Edited because i need to go back to school to learn how to spell 
[Edited on 02-01-2007 by Andrew]
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Robin
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depends what you claim.
Jobseeker's allowance, all you have to do is go to the job centre and LOOK for a job.
Any of the sickness ones, yeah, you need a doctors note for 6 months, then a consultant doctors note thereafter.
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ajscorsa
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u guys wanna stay in scotland weve been smoke free for a while. what a diference its made. i can get up after a night out and put ma jeans back on lololol.
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TNM
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all these people saying ban smoking. Please check your wallet for the £22billion the smokers provide in tax.
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Andy GSi
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Originally posted by All Torque
Up smoking and alcohol tax, and tax people over 30 who dont have jobs (and dont have children/disabilities)
Lower fuel and road tax
Agree with this one but not alcohol tax!
Also when does the law come in, when you are not allowed to smoke in public places??? Cant wait till this come into play.
[Edited on 02-01-2007 by Andy GSi]
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All Torque
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Oh I must add... When I was helping a mate and his gf move into their new flat we had to wash the walls/ceiling/door of the front room cos thats where the previous occupants smoked, 60 a day to be prescise . We were litterally scrubbing nicotine off the ceiling :sick: the walls were yellow and had to scrub back to white.
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Jambo
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The thing i hate about giving up smoking is the fact that i am technically a non smoker, but luckily i havent thrown logic and sense out the window yet....
Smoking may cause you to smell in a pub, but tbh is it really that bad? I couldnt really give a monkeys either way but i think it should be down to owners discretion, not a ban. Which is a civil rights thing IMO.
There should be places to go that you can smoke, and places that are smoke free. Making the consumer decided.
There is so much fucking bollox talked about smoking.
I like how 40years ago when EVERYONE smoked and they didnt have filters to stop some of the shit going into your lungs which means they were inhalling it all "pure" as such.
Funny how they arent all dead? Smoking is nothing but bad for you, but so is alcohol, chocolate, tea, coffee, coca cola etc etc etc
All this be healthy shite is too much these days, people are forgetting they are human beings and one way or another will die and in most cases it wont be nice, you may live old you may not.
The last remaining serviceman from ww1 died at the age of 103 and he was around when smoking was rife, people drank alcohol for breakfast and nothing came foil wrapped.
People need a reality check, and to concentrate their energy towards something worthwhile other than the "evil" that is smoking.
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mwg
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Its the smell that I really hate. I will be happy with the ban in public places.
If people want to smoke in their own homes then fair enough.
AllTorque - I know exactly the sort of thing you are on about. My Grandpa used to smoke something along those lines and the walls in his house turned yellow.
Was disgusting. We inherited an old drinks cabinet that used to be his and it still smells of cigarettes.
[Edited on 02-01-2007 by Matty G]
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Carl
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Originally posted by Robin
Good Idea, but it won't work.
I smoked when I was 14, never had trouble buying, so a 16 year old won't struggle now.
Although, that's 2 years better than now I suppose.
I think they should remove the limit totally, then kids at school wouldn't do it, because it wouldn't be 'cool' as they aren't breaking the law...
i disagree, i wrok it an beer shop, not really bothered about asking for id for cigs, not like they are harming anyone but themselves, unless they look obviously no where near 16 (as i can still get a fine for sderving them). 18 is a big difference though, if someone doesn't look 21 they get asked for i.d fairest way to do it, and not many 16 year olds will pass.
Still think best idea would be to slam loads more tax on them, make them 7-8 pound a pack, young kids would then simply not be able to afford them, more income would be made through tax, which in an ideal world could be taken off FUel.
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Jules S
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Originally posted by Jambo
The thing i hate about giving up smoking is the fact that i am technically a non smoker, but luckily i havent thrown logic and sense out the window yet....
Smoking may cause you to smell in a pub, but tbh is it really that bad? I couldnt really give a monkeys either way but i think it should be down to owners discretion, not a ban. Which is a civil rights thing IMO.
There should be places to go that you can smoke, and places that are smoke free. Making the consumer decided.
There is so much fucking bollox talked about smoking.
I like how 40years ago when EVERYONE smoked and they didnt have filters to stop some of the shit going into your lungs which means they were inhalling it all "pure" as such.
Funny how they arent all dead? Smoking is nothing but bad for you, but so is alcohol, chocolate, tea, coffee, coca cola etc etc etc
All this be healthy shite is too much these days, people are forgetting they are human beings and one way or another will die and in most cases it wont be nice, you may live old you may not.
The last remaining serviceman from ww1 died at the age of 103 and he was around when smoking was rife, people drank alcohol for breakfast and nothing came foil wrapped.
People need a reality check, and to concentrate their energy towards something worthwhile other than the "evil" that is smoking.
I can't add to that.
Spot on
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SVM 286
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Fuel and booze duty should be put on fags instead.
Oh, and on MP's council tax bills.
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James_DT
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Hiking the prices up is exactly the same as forcing people to stop, and I like the fact that I can choose to smoke if I want to. I'd like to see so many people agree if someone suggested they put the prices of alcohol up by 30% or they restrict where you can do that. It's an addictive drug and it's harmful; the only difference is that it's not the current political bandwagon. Most of the pubs in town here are still smoking, but they're so well ventilated that you can't really smell it so it's not really an issue IMO.
I'm all for raising the minimum age though; the only way me and most of our mates got alcohol when we were 15 was because our parents bought it, and I certainly can't see my parents buying me cigarettes if I was still 15. Alcohol is harder for the underage to get hold of directly than cigs, and hopefully raising the age will make it nearly as hard.
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nova_gteuk
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Making the age limit go up to 18,is right i suppose,but at the end of the day it aint gonna make much diffrence? i was goin clubbin and buyin fags at the age of 15,so i really dont see much point in the idea.
As for people moaning about smoking,at the end of the day, if everyone gave up smoking that means the goverment would lose something like £20 billion a year in taxes and dont it make you wonder,what they would tax higher to break even again,obviously the motorist
And what really gets on my nerves are people who moan and winge about people smoking round them,whats the diffrence,when your out in your car,dont people breath in your emmisions? so does this mean they should ban cars because the emmisions that are given off that are contributing to illness's and people with breathing diffuculties..No i dont think so,so next time your wingeing about someone smoking around you,think what your car is doing to other people and also what its doing to the enviroment qnd global warming.... (i personally couldnt give a shit about people smoking around me as i smoke myself and i dont care about global warming or any enviromental issues,as ill be dead before then lol)
Sorry i just hate people who winge about people smoking around them
[Edited on 04-01-2007 by nova_gteuk]
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mav
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Reading this thread has confirmed to me that you guys speak bollocks some time
I am a smoker and hopefully a non smoker very soon,...
[Edited on 04-01-2007 by mav]
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mwg
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Originally posted by nova_gteuk
And what really gets on my nerves are people who moan and winge about people smoking round them,whats the diffrence,when your out in your car,dont people breath in your emmisions? so does this mean they should ban cars because the emmisions that are given off that are contributing to illness's and people with breathing diffuculties..No i dont think so,so next time your wingeing about someone smoking around you,think what your car is doing to other people and also what its doing to the enviroment qnd global warming.... (i personally couldnt give a shit about people smoking around me as i smoke myself and i dont care about global warming or any enviromental issues,as ill be dead before then lol)
Sorry i just hate people who winge about people smoking around them
[Edited on 04-01-2007 by nova_gteuk]
When I walk down the street and cars drive past me yes they may be harming my health with what they emit but they don't stink like fags do I walk down the street and someone walks past smoking a fag then it smells disgusting and if you happen to get a mouthful of the smoke its even worse!
At least cars are killing me 'silently'
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Nath
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Originally posted by ajscorsa
u guys wanna stay in scotland weve been smoke free for a while. what a diference its made. i can get up after a night out and put ma jeans back on lololol.
I can't wait for the ban to come in. Fucking hate smoke, not smokers, smoke. Wouldn't be so bad if it didn't stink so much. Obviously the second hand smoke isn't ideal but i'd be less aggrieved if it didn't smell so bad.
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