Welsh Dan
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The original Type Rs were enthusiast cars, same as the original RX series Mazdas, etc.
Nowadays, theres just too many of each on the roads, as people buy them for the image, rather than because they're an enthusiast. Two examples of this, are some twat in a EP3 Civic Type R, who insisted that there was no such thing as an EK9 (i.e. a proper Civic Type R) and that his was a proper one, despite teh fact that mine would hammer it all day long and someone in an RX8, not knowing anything about the RX7 or the rotary engine and being somewhat surprised that Mazda did something better and quicker than the 8.
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Steve
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jumped up dicks
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Welsh Dan
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Originally posted by SetH
Its the consumers fault, buyers are demanding all these luxury features, comfort etc, room for the kids and shopping etc etc. if you make a die hard balls out mainstream production car you`d probably make a loss in todays market.
I can see what you mean, but i'd disagree. Look at the Porsche RS/GT 911s. They're pretty raw, and they still sell with no problems. They also have the normal 911s which still sell loads. Its explains why Porsche make such a huge profit, as they get a formula and stick with it, rather than fannying about changing all things around.
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Steve
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porsche wont sell as many GT 911's as honda does CTR's however porsche charge more for each so it kind of evens out.
if honda made it a perfectly raw performance car then not only would they not sell as many they couldnt set the price any higher so lose out.
but imo thats not a good enough reason not to do it, thats just greed
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SetH
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quote:
Originally posted by Welsh Dan
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Originally posted by SetH
Its the consumers fault, buyers are demanding all these luxury features, comfort etc, room for the kids and shopping etc etc. if you make a die hard balls out mainstream production car you`d probably make a loss in todays market.
I can see what you mean, but i'd disagree. Look at the Porsche RS/GT 911s. They're pretty raw, and they still sell with no problems. They also have the normal 911s which still sell loads. Its explains why Porsche make such a huge profit, as they get a formula and stick with it, rather than fannying about changing all things around.
You didnt read what i said properly. I said mainstream production cars, GT/RS porsches dont fit into that category they are more specialist sports cars. Also i was just quoting what i read in a topgear mag a few months back, its not my personal observation although i can see the truth in it.
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Baskey
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No ones ever gonna make cars like the nova sports again, shame really
[Edited on 19-04-2007 by Baskey]
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antscorsa
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that there is no way the new RR, look how messy the engine bay is, and the cut exhaust!!
im hoping they do bring out an RR but im doubting thats it there.
looks to me a normal type-r imported over in white and a tuning companys worked at it!
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Nismo
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As its been said Honda are a business , they willcater for what the market wants, it just so happens that allot of mid life crisis people buy the Type R and want all teh extras and the tacky styling, so they do this and they make money , If i run Honda i would do exactly the same thing, im there to make money not please 2% of buyers.
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dava.
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type r's should only have ever been made in limited numbers like the dc2 tegs, ek9's,nsx, etc etc and should only have been made in champ white,
the fact that they are now mass produced and are now just about every second car on the road tells you that honda are now just using the type r name as marketing ploy rather than keeping the type r name as an "exclusive club" in a way,
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Nismo
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FFS dont people realise Honda are a buisness!!
A company that makes sumit that sells well are not gonna turn round and only make a few of them!!!
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Welsh Dan
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Sorry Seth, missed what you said about mainstream.
However, whilst Porsche are expensive, they still sell a large number of cars. Obviously less than Honda, but an impressive amount nonetheless considering the cost.
A similar thing is with the 206 GTi (the original one). The 205 GTi was an iconic car, but the 206 GTi was a bit wet to be honest. Then, along came the 180bhp version, which took the GTi badging and left the lower spec model as the GT. I don't see why Honda don't carry on with the VTI or SI-R as the one from top of the range but with all the toys, and the CTR as the stripped out, lighter with less toys model. They'd still sell, but it would mean that they weren't watering down the models.
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"Our drive has left us in no doubt that Honda's Civic is the undisputed hot hatch champion. With more power, it just gets better!"
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Nismo
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quote:
Originally posted by Welsh Dan
Sorry Seth, missed what you said about mainstream.
However, whilst Porsche are expensive, they still sell a large number of cars. Obviously less than Honda, but an impressive amount nonetheless considering the cost.
A similar thing is with the 206 GTi (the original one). The 205 GTi was an iconic car, but the 206 GTi was a bit wet to be honest. Then, along came the 180bhp version, which took the GTi badging and left the lower spec model as the GT. I don't see why Honda don't carry on with the VTI or SI-R as the one from top of the range but with all the toys, and the CTR as the stripped out, lighter with less toys model. They'd still sell, but it would mean that they weren't watering down the models.
yeah i aggree about that.
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LeeM
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they did announce this at the same time as the normal type-r
agreed they should be limited run though
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Steve
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i hear what your saying nismo, but a some motor companies care more about producing a car that is decent and a drivers car and not making much money on it and making most money off the lesser models.
imo it shows they are more about greed than caring about producing the best possible drivers car they can
[Edited on 19-04-2007 by Steve]
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SportBoy
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could be said for vaxuhall not makeing a 4x4 astra.. or ford not doing a 4x4 focus
[Edited on 19-04-2007 by SportyBoy]
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LeeM
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imo it shows they are more about greed than caring about producing the best possible drivers car they can
[Edited on 19-04-2007 by Steve]
how? full fat version for people who want a fast road car, and a stripped more track focused one?
only like clio's, 182, 182 cup and 182 trophy
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Steve
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thats precisely it, this stripped down version is far from stripped down 
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LeeM
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well, more stripped and lightweight anyway! no nonsense exhaust and i imagine it'll be louder with a bit more lairy cams?
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Nismo
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Originally posted by Steve
i hear what your saying nismo, but a some motor companies care more about producing a car that is decent and a drivers car and not making much money on it and making most money off the lesser models.
imo it shows they are more about greed than caring about producing the best possible drivers car they can
[Edited on 19-04-2007 by Steve]
Yeah i agree but maybe thats where Honda have the S2000 and NSX?, Real drivers car but come with a higher price tag for the pleasure.
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Steve
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do they still make brand new nsx's? they were indeed a fine car
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Nismo
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not anymore,i think they stoppedin 2006, but they are producing a new one i belive.
They finished the line with the NSX R
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Ian
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I don't get the Cosworth link?
Also needs wheel the same as body colour, not white wheels on a cream car.
And the price? Sequential box isn't cheap - particularly one you have to give to amateurs and offer a warrenty on.
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Robin
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Looks like they've looked at the Clio Cup and said "yeah, we'll do that"...
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antscorsa
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Originally posted by dava.
type r's should only have ever been made in limited numbers like the dc2 tegs, ek9's,nsx, etc etc and should only have been made in champ white,
the fact that they are now mass produced and are now just about every second car on the road tells you that honda are now just using the type r name as marketing ploy rather than keeping the type r name as an "exclusive club" in a way,
why jsut white, ek9, dc2 etc came in wihte, red, black and yellow i think your find, white was jsut the most commonly used!
its like saying why do vw use the GTi badge as there golf gtis get worst as each model comes out!!!
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