Robin
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Originally posted by jr
fucking hell, ive got £800 as well 
Have you bought it yet?
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jr
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no, as thats for my roll cage. but ive never wanted a rover so much
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Gaz
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Ford cortina 
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SVM 286
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Originally posted by Robin
The engine I have in mind would be best in a RWD application.
I'm not after something which has a good engine out of the box, something shit like a 1.3 Chevette would do, everything will be replaced anyway, so it literally just needs to be light, cheap and RWD.
They are 1.2s Robin
Why no 924?
They are the best track day car in the world from cost and handling/balance perspectives. Why do you think I bought one?
They are cheap and have a near perfect 52/48 weight distribution. 
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SVM 286
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Originally posted by Robin
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROVER-200-BUBBLE-3-5-V8-RWD-MODIFIED-DRAG-HOTROD-FAST_W0QQitemZ280205646759QQihZ018QQcategoryZ18262QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
JR suggested an E30 BMW, seems like quite a good choice really, but that's a bit dull  [/quote
 Good god! They look like Race Tuscan headers, oh and plus... £800 BIN?!?!?!
Buy it Robin! 
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Paul_J
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whats the point in only spending a couple of hundred on a complete shitter, to then spend loads of engine and replacing all components of suspension etc.
Then you may of spent a lot on a crapish car.
mr2?
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Paul_J
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Robin
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/383624.htm
RWD, caged already.
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Daimo B
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HAve to say, my dads GF has an MX5 with hard top.
He turned up the other day in it with the roof off and soft top down.. Driving position was really low, he had a baseball cap on (not a chavvy one or anything), but I could not help but say to him "you look a PROPER geek in that"
But he doesn't care. He absolutly loves that car. He drives down loads of country roads to work and ends up taking the MX5 all the time as its such a blast to drive...
And he's got a 193mph MV Augusta to use and a 2.0 Turbo Saab convertable
But if you can cope with the image (owning a corsa, it shouldn't be an issue really ) then a great great great little car. 50/50 weight balance. Just needs more power.
[Edited on 03-03-2008 by VXR]
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Dan Lewis
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 rwd v8 toyota starlet
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/366168.htm
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
whats the point in only spending a couple of hundred on a complete shitter, to then spend loads of engine and replacing all components of suspension etc.
Then you may of spent a lot on a crapish car.
mr2?
What's the point on spending loads on a really good car, to replace everything anyway?
If I spend £5, or £50000 on the car, I'll still replace everything suspension and brakes wise etc......
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Originally posted by SVM 286
quote:
Originally posted by Robin
The engine I have in mind would be best in a RWD application.
I'm not after something which has a good engine out of the box, something shit like a 1.3 Chevette would do, everything will be replaced anyway, so it literally just needs to be light, cheap and RWD.
They are 1.2s Robin
Why no 924?
They are the best track day car in the world from cost and handling/balance perspectives. Why do you think I bought one?
They are cheap and have a near perfect 52/48 weight distribution.
Gearbox isn't behind the engine, where I'd need it to be
[Edited on 03-03-2008 by Robin]
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Daniel_Corsa
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E30 estate!
April '06' Corsasport Feature Car  | Aug '08' Total Vauxhall Feature Car | Spring '09' Fast Car Feature Car
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Paul_J
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yeh but robin, what i meant was, it's better to have something that had a good chassis / weight balance to start with.
People post the retro cars as they're cheap, but they'll generally be fairly heavy due to how they were made.
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broster
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mx5 with a bolt on turbo kit, thats awesome!!!! we did one a while back,
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Robin
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You think a Cortina/Chevette/ will be heavy? Old cars weigh nothing. I'd be amazed if a Chevette weighed as much as an MR2.
Good chassis is almost irrelevant when you can move stuff around and make everything adjustable, use whatever struts you want and tie it all together with a proper cage.
I really don't see the point in buying a £3000 car which handles "well" for a standard car, when nothing standard spec will be left on it, and it won't handle any better than a cheaper car after all the bits have been altered. 
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jr
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acctully mr2, my mate has a mk2 which owned everything on a trackday recently, and its slower in a stright line than J18 was, he's putting a camrey v6 in it now
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Robin
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Mk2 MR2 - 1310kg
Chevette - 864kg
mk2 Cortina - 857kg
So, how exactly are old cars "fairly heavy due to how they were made"?
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dhdev
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E36 saloon, sooooo much potential weight saving, massive engine bay, well balanced car to begin with, huge aftermarket supply of parts, look so cool when done properly
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broster
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get some ideas of the old touring car we have in at the moment
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G_Man
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I saw that rover not too long ago in a garage not too far from mine
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by broster
get some ideas of the old touring car we have in at the moment
My wage isn't that elastic dude
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Robin
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Originally posted by dhdev
E36 saloon, look so cool when done properly
Do they? Surely they always look crap?
Lot of money to do a decent one though, you need to use a good engine 
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Paul_J
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
Mk2 MR2 - 1310kg
Chevette - 864kg
mk2 Cortina - 857kg
So, how exactly are old cars "fairly heavy due to how they were made"?
ok, if you're gonna spend millions on it and get the best of everything go ahead.
I still think it's better to start with a good base car, even if you are updating things... for example there's probably better designed products such as suspension aimed at something newer more common than something older.
That said, there's a MGB v8 that goes around castle combe and it's fucking rapdi, 360+ bhp and hassles all the evos goes so quick.
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Robin
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It's not a case of spending millions, seriously, there's no difference in price for proper bits for a BMW M3, or a Skoda Favorit, they'd both be a similar price for the same 'motorsport' parts.
Suspension wise, that really doesn't matter, if I buy a car which has leaf springs on the back, drums all round and hydrolastic dampers on the front, ALL of that can be replaced with modern stuff with a little bit of fabrication.
That shitty old car can be adapted to use decent coilovers all round and proper brakes.
All of the suspension can be adjustable, everything, even on the back, for camber, castor, whatever.
There's more off the shelf bits to fit more modern cars, but you just have to look at the underside of the RST we've got in to see what you can do to an older car to make it awesome.
[Edited on 03-03-2008 by Robin]
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Fad
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quote:
Originally posted by jr
acctully mr2, my mate has a mk2 which owned everything on a trackday recently, and its slower in a stright line than J18 was, he's putting a camrey v6 in it now
He isnt is he?
Thats going to be interesting
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jr
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hes doing the mr2 challange fad, in a team car, with mechanics and stuff 2 of the other drivers allready have v6 mk2's
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