CorsAsh
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Originally posted by Theham85
Am not quite sure if this new law is nationwide, was a Glaswegian campaign, the stupid thing was "if you see a car idling for no reason, call this number"
If it's a Glaswegian thing it's probably meant to say "if you see a car idling for no reason, call this number and a crack team of tracksuited neds will be on scene to remove it momentarily."
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Ian
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It's not a new idea
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/41667.stm
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Matt H
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Pranks phonecalls anyone? 
One way to nip it in the bud 
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Ste L
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http://www.policespecials.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t49309.html
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CorsAsh
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Get the regs of the local government cars/council vehicles/bin lorries and ring up with them all the time?
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Theham85
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Its out of control, there was talk of giving parking wardens more power so you can get fined for poor parking or nudging kerb etc, so they will be on a bonus scheme for amount of people they fine, so basically they could make stuff up
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Ian
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Originally posted by Ste L
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/CEC/Environment_And_Consumer_Services/Air_Pollution/Do_Your_Bit/text.html
under : Tips to Drive Down Pollution
Switch off the engine when idling especially when parked. It is illegal to leave an engine running unnecessarily while a vehicle is parked.
It's illegal to leave it running unattended, 107(1) of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 and section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 but I'm not familiar with any law which prohibits it if is deemed unnecessary. In fact I'm not sure unnecessary is a legal term tbh.
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Matt H
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Do it to every Hybrid you see
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Ste L
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
It's illegal to leave it running unattended, 107(1) of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 and section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 but I'm not familiar with any law which prohibits it if is deemed unnecessary. In fact I'm not sure unnecessary is a legal term tbh.
LOCAL AUTHORITY POWERS TO REQUIRE DRIVERS TO SWITCH OFF ENGINES WHEN PARKED Guidance Issued Under Section 88 of the Environment Act 1995
ANNEX 2: FIXED PENALTY NOTICE EXPLANATORY NOTES
Guidance Notes (Parked Vehicles)
(Regulation 98 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986)
Legal Basis for Local Authority Roadside Emissions Enforcement
The Road Traffic (Vehicle Emissions) (Fixed Penalty) (Scotland) Regulations 2003 enable local authority Authorised Persons to request vehicle users to switch off engines when parked and to issue Fixed Penalty Notices to those who refuse to co-operate. It is a requirement of Regulation 98 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, as amended, that drivers switch off engines in parked vehicles.
The offence is an existing one but local authorities have only since 1 April 2003 been given the power to carry out enforcement of the offence in an effort to address the growing concerns about pollution and the environment.
Nature of the Offence
It is an absolute offence under Section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 to use (or cause or permit to be used) a vehicle on a road if it does not comply with the relevant provisions of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, as amended. The offence does not depend upon guilty knowledge and therefore it is not possible to mount a defence on the basis that a vehicle user did not know that the vehicle was in contravention of the Regulations at the time they were using it on a road.
You (as named on the Notice itself) have been issued with the Notice because you were the user of the vehicle specified on the Notice when it was found by an Authorised Person with its engine running unnecessarily when parked.
You, as the vehicle user, have committed an offence under Section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 and have accordingly been issued with a fixed penalty through this Notice.
NB The offence is continuous. Anyone using the vehicle specified on the Notice on a road will remain liable to separate enforcement action should it be parked and the engine left running unnecessarily.
taken from here : http://www.policespecials.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t49309.html
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16V_1600
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quote:
Originally posted by Ste L
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Originally posted by 16V_1600
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Originally posted by Ste L
so how do you de-mist or de-ice your window, if you cant let it idle
De-icer/rag
meh, de-icer mist's up the windows, then a rag to clear it, make the screen a bit dirty 
yeah de-icer works instantly, then 10yds down the road you can't see shit
Can't beat the heaters. fine for car idling what ever next 
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Ian
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Yeah just read that Ste.
[Edited on 16-03-2008 by Ian]
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Robin
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Easily sorted. Rev it instead.
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16V_1600
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Originally posted by Robin
Easily sorted. Rev it instead.
Classic loophole Robin 
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Matt_b
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Originally posted by Ian
It's not a new idea
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/41667.stm
In the above article it says
"Police officers and traffic wardens will be able to make instant emission tests, and also impose fines on motorists whose vehicles are not up to environmental standards."
Surely if you have a de-cat then your going to get into hot water, as most cars won't pass the MOT test without one, so I'm assuming it would be roughly the same? I think the whole thing is a bit pedantic and over the top to be honest!
[Edited on 16-03-2008 by Matt_b]
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freeman(sting)
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that link contadicts itself
* Don’t over-rev the engine - particularly when starting your vehicle.
then it says
# Cold starts - a car warms up faster when it is moving - drive off as soon as possible after starting.
yea cause we all like to hammer our cars from cold
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Ben G
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Originally posted by Robin
Easily sorted. Rev it instead.
don't be so silly...you'll get fined for making loud noises then
this is pathetic and this government don't only needs to get shot of their positions but to actually be shot for their idiocy.
who's to say what ''parked'' is? if you are sat in the middle of the road, car idling but not within 30cm of the curb, is that parked? because technically you are sat there not moving?
we're going to get fined for idling at traffic lights next!!
or we will all have to switch our engines off whilst waiting 
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freeman(sting)
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parts firms will be making a bomb alternators starter motors batteries
[Edited on 17-03-2008 by freeman(sting)]
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Mike
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Originally posted by Gaz
The question is, why is one of the smallest countrys in the world being pinalised for the full worlds mistakes?
Cos the government can make money out of it, simple as.
As far as I'm concerned all this climate change stuff is bollocks but the government are just trying to cash in on it. Climate change has been happening for milleniums, it's what it does and anyway, who gives a shit about their children's, children's, children? Chances are by the time it affects them, we'll be in our graves 
Passing the book FTW
[Edited on 17-03-2008 by Mike B]
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