corsacalvin
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cheers for your info guys,,gone be havin a drive in both of them 2moz
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Ash_EP3
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Originally posted by corsacalvin
cheers for your info guys,,gone be havin a drive in both of them 2moz
I am having the same dilemma as you mate - after summer I am going to decide between the Astra GSi and the CTR be good to see which one you choose and why 
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Adam_B
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Originally posted by gavin18787
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Originally posted by Daniel_Corsa
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Originally posted by Adam_B
Astra. Just because i hate having to rag the bollocks off a car to get it to go anywhere.
You dont unless you want to "go for it" has the usual average 2.0 NA engine power without (about 150bhp iirc) the other cam.
BHP means nothing. The one i drove i felt like it was either normal driving or full on 110% Attack mode, there was no middle ground for spirited fun driving.
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by ShEp
Vtec is just a word for jap cars that don't have torque
I'd rather the Astra, I test drove the CTR and the Astra gsi, and I chose the astra
Vtec torque?
"legenday" Vauxhall redtop torque????
Think u'll find the CTR has more than the redtop 
So that makes redtops torqueless rubbish engines, yo? Redtop yo?
I'd take the Civic. Better engine, newer engine, more reliable engine, better for trackdays.
AStra will be easier to drive on the road. Push throttle, boost, go....
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by nik
Not this argument again, it's boring. The fact is, Hondas make good reliable engines. They aren't the quickest, torque is poor but they still go well. Their reliability record is second to none.
Torque ISN'T poor though. Its higher than many vauxhall engines of the same cc. Its just a higher peak torque rev, where-as lower revving engines will have a lower rpm peak torque figure.
Sorry to say it, but yes the vauxhall redtop was a great engine in its day, but times move on.
(hence why current BTCC Vauxhall (or last 6 odd years) have used a sleaved 2.2 16v Aluminium (to make 2.0) engine and not the 2.0 16v unit).
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SAL
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Astra, but a hatch
I like the civic, it's a good car.
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MarkM
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For the money it has to be a Civic... but the insurance is hefty on them.
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SAL
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What group are they ? civic's ?
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MarkM
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17 IIRC
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SAL
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that is high
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N3CRO
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I'd have the CTR, just coz I like them more. Never been a huge fan of Astras.
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nik
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Originally posted by VXR
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Originally posted by nik
Not this argument again, it's boring. The fact is, Hondas make good reliable engines. They aren't the quickest, torque is poor but they still go well. Their reliability record is second to none.
Torque ISN'T poor though. Its higher than many vauxhall engines of the same cc. Its just a higher peak torque rev, where-as lower revving engines will have a lower rpm peak torque figure.
Sorry to say it, but yes the vauxhall redtop was a great engine in its day, but times move on.
(hence why current BTCC Vauxhall (or last 6 odd years) have used a sleaved 2.2 16v Aluminium (to make 2.0) engine and not the 2.0 16v unit).
Well yeah, the torque isn't poor I guess I was comparing to cars I have owned 400 fl lbs etc  The myth about CTRs and Vtec in general gets on my nerves. The fact is, they have sold millions of units so they must be doing something right.
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nik
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Originally posted by MarkM
For the money it has to be a Civic... but the insurance is hefty on them.
Not really, I'm 26 and could insure one for about £350. They are group 16 I think which is nothing when your over 21-22.
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Daimo B
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And not one unit in standard trim has ever failed.
Something Honda are quite proud of, and rightly so.
V-tec with SC = best combination. Low down SC boost, then high rev vtec. 
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big eck
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My wifes CTR feels just as torquey as my mates 2ltr 16v astra GSI
The vtec comes in quite high tho at 6k but once you map it with k-pro that can be lowered to 4.5k which is much more user friendly
and like said above once supercharged its a bloody animal
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SAL
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As standard, from experience they will be neck and neck in a straight line
Not played with one on a track so cant comment on there handling abilities
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fir3vip3r
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
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Originally posted by nik
Not this argument again, it's boring. The fact is, Hondas make good reliable engines. They aren't the quickest, torque is poor but they still go well. Their reliability record is second to none.
Torque ISN'T poor though. Its higher than many vauxhall engines of the same cc. Its just a higher peak torque rev, where-as lower revving engines will have a lower rpm peak torque figure.
Sorry to say it, but yes the vauxhall redtop was a great engine in its day, but times move on.
(hence why current BTCC Vauxhall (or last 6 odd years) have used a sleaved 2.2 16v Aluminium (to make 2.0) engine and not the 2.0 16v unit).
why the fuck have you mentioned a red top engine in this thread.
thread title: astra coupe turbo or civic type r and your going on about the torque from a 10+ year old engine.
i see.
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Tom
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^^ not sure what the comparisson with a redtop is all about, I'm sure daimo will explain though 
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--DAN--
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For those who are suggesting insurance is too high on the Civic try this company http://www.chrisknott.co.uk/ quoting this ref 'reference 798 - Civic Type R' !
For thr record, I have had my CTR just over a week now and I love it and it feels just as solid inside as my Coupe did.
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by fir3vip3r
why the fuck have you mentioned a red top engine in this thread.
thread title: astra coupe turbo or civic type r and your going on about the torque from a 10+ year old engine.
i see.
Hmm why talk about a NA 2.0 16v from vauxhall, on a vauxhall site, when talking about NA 2.0 16v engines (as in a civic type r).
I wonder?????? Read the post dopey.
Door, that way, please leave with the D hat on
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flybikeslee
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Originally posted by ShEp
One thing I've noticed from multi manufacturer forums is not to bother arguing with people who like Hondas
They wont give in and admit the car has no torque and must be thrashed
Thats why pics like this are made
wronggggg. but yeah whatever, think what you will
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by Tom
^^ not sure what the comparisson with a redtop is all about, I'm sure daimo will explain though
People whinging about the lack of torque on a Vtec, yet no-one whinges about the torque of a redtop though, which is also a NA 2.0 16v unit, and has less torque than the CTR engine.
So very relevent to the post to those whinging about no torque, bandwagons, and vtec yooooo's
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Welsh Dan
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Surely the lack of torque argument is rubbish anyway? 
Compared to a larger engine, with the same power, then yes, its lacking in torque. Compared to an NA engine of the same size, it has the same, if not more torque.
[Edited on 19-01-2009 by Welsh Dan]
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Corsa_Sport21
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Just for the record my mate has a DC2.As much as he loves it,he wishes he had went for a mk4 Gsi.
Says the Honda is good for what it is,but it uses far too much fuel if you want to go anywhere quick(and its not all that quick compared to a Redtop btw)and even when he isnt using Tec,he reckons it still sooks the fuel.Says he will deffo be going for a Mk4 Gsi next.
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Welsh Dan
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Surely the lack of torque argument is rubbish anyway?
Compared to a larger engine, with the same power, then yes, its lacking in torque. Compared to an NA engine of the same size, it has the same, if not more torque.
[Edited on 19-01-2009 by Welsh Dan]
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