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I think for his swan song and just to complete the job of screwing Liverpool up he should sell Torres and Gerrard
TBF one thing he has done a good job of is tieing up our good players to long term contracts.
Nath those OOT liverpool 'fans' you are friends with/work with sound like a large proportion of our OOT'ers, lazy comments galore, never see or hear anythging that's backed up by FACTS!
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Nath those OOT liverpool 'fans' you are friends with/work with sound like a large proportion of our OOT'ers, lazy comments galore, never see or hear anythging that's backed up by FACTS!
Probably 
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mwg check this out from the BBC Football homepage:
'We have turned the corner - Gerrard'
So now a draw against Wolves is turning the corner, oh dear
I think the problem's we had with the team were at there worst when it seemed they had no explanaition for the bad results and it almost appeared as though they felt as though regardless of how they played they should have won.
Players are now taking responsibility and however much people will jump on the 'showing character' comments, that's exactly what we have done of late. We are building confidence from the back and i'd expect the form of the attacking players to follow.
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Aye, thats 5 PL matches without a loss now - 3 wins and 2 draws including games against Villa and Spurs.
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Tommy L
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I don't know what OOT means? 
I can understand the frustration with some supporters. It's just not something you are used to, especially after last season.
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I don't know what OOT means?
I can understand the frustration with some supporters. It's just not something you are used to, especially after last season.
Out Of Towners.
I dont understand it tbh, as what do they expect another manager to do when all the best players are out injured or playing with an injury?
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Work better with what he has got?
Their confidence is low but has got to try harder to boost moral.
Maybe they think a fresh new waiter will get them going again. But it's not like they can just sack rafa and i can't see him walking.
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Work better with what he has got?
Their confidence is low but has got to try harder to boost moral.
Maybe they think a fresh new waiter will get them going again. But it's not like they can just sack rafa and i can't see him walking.
Im fairly certain Rafa has done all thats possible to motivate them, after all he has shown he knows how with the same group of players (see last season, see the many CL runs, etc). I think its now more of a case of the players having to take a look at themselves individually and pulling themselves in to a bit of form.
I really fail to see how a new manager would make a bit of difference, if the players arent fit then they cant play, if they cant play then the team is going to be worse - a new manager isnt going to change that.
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Wolves are a good side
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Tom
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There's being frustrated and then there's being realistic. The definition of the word 'supporter' is something that people should remind themselves of now and then. I'm not exactly ecstatic about our form at the moment but I can't see the benefit of not sticking together (with the players and the manager) when we have zero options that would improve us in the long run.
The main point alot of liverpool 'supporters' conveniently disregard in there spectacular 'analysis' on phone in's is the state the owners have got us into becuase however much our form improves there is an obvious need for investment which is not forthcoming. The fact our manager is expected to balance the books should at the very least give our fans some pateince with him.
I would expect him to leave (probably for juve) if he doesn't get us into the top 4 and i think that would be the right thing for all concerned but for now he's got my support 100%.
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I really fail to see how a new manager would make a bit of difference, if the players arent fit then they cant play, if they cant play then the team is going to be worse - a new manager isnt going to change that.
New managers can change things though. Training methods, formations, different starting XI etc....
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I really fail to see how a new manager would make a bit of difference, if the players arent fit then they cant play, if they cant play then the team is going to be worse - a new manager isnt going to change that.
New managers can change things though. Training methods, formations, different starting XI etc....
But he cant change injuries...
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Something new and fresh could be something that motivates the players and get their form back?
New managers sometimes turn things around.
Forget injuries, every side get them. You can't rely on the players you have out and isn't your team basically the same as last year? Or is the players you have out now were the players from last season?
I'm not clued up on your squad from last year.
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Sheffield Wednesday are evidence of this.
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Something new and fresh could be something that motivates the players and get their form back?
New managers sometimes turn things around.
Forget injuries, every side get them. You can't rely on the players you have out and isn't your team basically the same as last year? Or is the players you have out now were the players from last season?
I'm not clued up on your squad from last year.
We had injuries last season, but not to this extent, and certainly not all at the same time so the first 11 was so depleted.
You'd argue that when fit Johnson, Agger, Aurelio, Benayoun, Gerrard (although he did start but is having injections) and Torres should all be starting - thats 5/6 players out of 11. Add to those Riera and Aquilani and you're closing in on the whole first team.
And thats a stupid comment to say 'forget injuries'. So now we're expected to put in a title challenge even when most the first team is out?
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Like i said, i'm not clued on your squad from last season but how many of the above were there last season?
When i say forget injuries, i know you cant just forget them but haven't united had a lot of injuries this season? They had midfielders in their defence?
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Like i said, i'm not clued on your squad from last season but how many of the above were there last season?
When i say forget injuries, i know you cant just forget them but haven't united had a lot of injuries this season? They had midfielders in their defence?
Yeah, Im not saying other teams havent had their problems, as they have. The difference is those teams we are expected to be competing with have enough money to spend where their bench is full of £18m+ players who can come in and step up to a high level, even if out of position.
Johnson wasnt here last season, and obviously Aquilani wasnt (Arbeloa and Alonso were though). The rest all were.
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Agger, Aurelio, Benayoun all first team last season?
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Agger, Aurelio, Benayoun all first team last season?
Yup.
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I really fail to see how a new manager would make a bit of difference, if the players arent fit then they cant play, if they cant play then the team is going to be worse - a new manager isnt going to change that.
New managers can change things though. Training methods, formations, different starting XI etc....
But he cant change injuries...
Shouldve put together a better squad then as everyone has injuries.
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I really fail to see how a new manager would make a bit of difference, if the players arent fit then they cant play, if they cant play then the team is going to be worse - a new manager isnt going to change that.
New managers can change things though. Training methods, formations, different starting XI etc....
But he cant change injuries...
Shouldve put together a better squad then as everyone has injuries.
Agreed, but how is he meant to spend on a first team so it can compete for the league AND spend on building a squad of decent quality. Its a choice of one player for £20m or 3 for £7m.
We just dont have the money to do both, and doing the latter would see us struggling for 4th every year IMO, at least the first option sees us up there as long as we dont have injuries...which this year we did. Next year we may not.
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Provided you can keep your best players, and the Yanks decide to invest, then you probably could compete next season. If you bought some world class players and not more Spaniards obviously!
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Provided you can keep your best players, and the Yanks decide to invest, then you probably could compete next season. If you bought some world class players and not more Spaniards obviously!
Yes are worst players are/have all been spanish 
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Its keeping our first 11 fit, if we'd of done that this season then we certainly wouldnt be where we are now.
The yanks wont invest though, so unless the buyer comes in as is being mooted and gives whoever is the manager some cash to spend I dont think we'll have a big squad as per. Unless some kids step up of course.
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Provided you can keep your best players, and the Yanks decide to invest, then you probably could compete next season. If you bought some world class players and not more Spaniards obviously!
Yes are worst players are/have all been spanish
Reina, Arbeloa, Alonso, Riera and Torres - all flops 
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