Steve
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Originally posted by Graham88
I stripped the back of my Fiesta out to go on track, I noticed a big difference, and that was only seats & spare wheel really and a few bits of carpet. Was alot more arse end happy but the car felt alot quicker and was alot more fun to drive.
I don't see how people can say it doesn't make a difference, it's the same power pulling something with less weight, of course it's going to be quicker
thats true you may notice small diferences here and there but on track its all pretty neglible in small powered hatches.
just look at tonys dads car, 1.8 corsa fully stripped compared to my full fat puma, the differences on the straights were pretty much identical
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willay
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yes but what do the cars weigh? baring in mind that Alan's corsa has a different engine than standard, and a big old cage? Also the Puma is made out of foil and lacks alot interior to begin with, what are the power stats for both? Bit silly comparing a 1.8 corsa to a standard puma isnt it?
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If you strip it and then adjust the suspension accordingly then you're sorted.
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Steve
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Originally posted by willay
yes but what do the cars weigh? baring in mind that Alan's corsa has a different engine than standard, and a big old cage? Also the Puma is made out of foil and lacks alot interior to begin with, what are the power stats for both? Bit silly comparing a 1.8 corsa to a standard puma isnt it?
well the way i see it comparing a factory puma to a factory corsa 1.6 the puma is marginally faster.
Fit a 1.8 to the corsa and that brings the straight line performance roughly inline.
Then strip the corsa and it hasnt really made that much difference in speed, obviously not the most scientific test in the world, but my point is it doesnt have to be scientific or particularly accurate, in the real world it really doesnt make much difference.
obviously alan has other gains from stripping, a cage, buckets etc etc which make it worthwhile to his particular car, but has stripping made much difference to straight line speed? doubtful
dont get me wrong iv been sorely tempted to strip mine, but only to be able to fit buckets, not for any kind of performance gain.
Unless you are building something very track focussed though, I dont think its worth it
[Edited on 07-06-2010 by Steve]
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Ojc
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Originally posted by willay
yes but what do the cars weigh? baring in mind that Alan's corsa has a different engine than standard, and a big old cage? Also the Puma is made out of foil and lacks alot interior to begin with, what are the power stats for both? Bit silly comparing a 1.8 corsa to a standard puma isnt it?
No not really. A Ford Puma isn't an AX GT, they are well screwed together.
It's all a bit stupid speculating whats faster, Alans 1.8 16v being 115bhp Steves being 125bhp but being very similar in straight line speed so does that mean that stripping out the Corsa has made up for the 10bhp difference in power? Or is the Corsa a heavier car to start with and Steves Puma has advantages in aerodynamics yadda yadda.
Too many variables.
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Steve
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Will you plaese get back to work so i can email you
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Jambo
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I think what Steve is saying Will is it may feel quicker, but seats out alone doesn't make much of a real world difference.
bit like theres not a massive difference between being in the car alone or with one adult passenger. Sure the maths speak for themselves but its not going to make a huge performance increase...
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gavin18787
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Originally posted by Ian
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move fuse boxes internal to the car same wit ecu ect and you can pull the center of grip back by getting more equal weight on the tyres all round
 yer there is alot of stuff been said that isnt going to make much difference, especially for the amount of work that you would have to put in. Fuse box weighs sweet fa anyway.
There are alot of members on there that seem to do alot of things to their cars but dont ever really drive them on track etc anyway. But then on the other hand there are a good few experianced and knowledable people on there.
Problem is its all based on saxo's which dont weigh anything anyway and the inside is made from cheap plastic
eg when I posted the rear seats from the civic type r it came to around 50kg in total
same part from the saxo is about 15kg 
might as well just take the spare wheel out and be done with it 
Drives supercharged Tec with torque  
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I think that was quoted because whoever wrote it is a spastic.
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Nic Barnes
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should just buy a track car instead of messing on with road cars if thats the extreme pathetic antics people are on about. Seems a waste of time moving fuse box etc.
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Steve
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deffo, pointless utterly pointless
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3CorsaMeal
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its an act of desperation and the people who seem to do it are the same kind of people that spray standard wheels a silly colour and fit 2nd hand £75 suspension thats probably fcuked anyway
worth it on say willays astra as he uses it properly, but for a 1.4 corsa that people use to go to work and back i can only laugh
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Nic Barnes
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exactly jim. I use mine for work though lol.
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Ian
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I'm feeling some tests coming on next time we strip something.
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Nic Barnes
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decent brakes. Decent suspension and decent tyres. That will make the most difference compared to removing 50kg weight to your average road car.
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3CorsaMeal
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i don't find my car feels any slower with a single passenger, how many kg's on average is that?
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Steve
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quote:
Originally posted by Nic Barnes
decent brakes. Decent suspension and decent tyres. That will make the most difference compared to removing 50kg weight to your average road car.
this
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My XSi 16v utterly hammered a standard 106 GTi. Same power, but quite a bit less weight. And it never felt dangerous around corners. If anything, with it being a bit lighter at the back, the front end felt more responsive and quicker to turn in.
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thing is stripping say a rear of a corsa of its basics i.e seats and spare wheel etc aint really that much weight really is it
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Steve
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Originally posted by Eck
My XSi 16v utterly hammered a standard 106 GTi. Same power, but quite a bit less weight. And it never felt dangerous around corners. If anything, with it being a bit lighter at the back, the front end felt more responsive and quicker to turn in.
thing is thats a naturally lighter car anyway, that wasnt achieved just from removing some seats
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Eck
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True. That was achieved from having nothing but two seats and most of a dash
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Ojc
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Me and Rach are going to start using the Polo for some track driving seeing as it's just as much fun in slower cars.
I think stripping the Polo out with be of some benefit as VW stuff especially seats are quite heavy and tuning wise the GTi isn't very well catered for so esentially the only way to see some sort of gains is to remove some weight.
But then have to put them back again and can't use buckets as Rach uses the car in the week to ferry kids around
Remind me, can you fit buckets on sliding subframes? So that they can still be moved forward? I had something like that on my Nova in the early days but I can't remember if they went forward or not.
Also, maybe an option is to fit better standard seats, like Fiesta Turbo Recaros onto the standard subframes, is that easy?
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Steve
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dont you start stripping, it will encourage me
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Ojc
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Only for track days, and prob only the rear seats. When I eventually have the energy to do it I'll take them out one day and see how heavy they are, if they aren't that bad I prob won't bother.
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Steve
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but then il end up buying them buckets and that means i wont end up on warrens lap at the gp track 
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