Sean-B
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That statement about the 2.0 8v having a better torque curve is bollox. It was on here a few months back.
It has a more torque lower down than it does top end. But at no point doesn't make more torque than the 2.0 16v.
My XE pulls hard from 2k. And shits all over 2.0 8v corsas at any speed, gear, revs etc
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SportBoy
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Originally posted by Daimo B
XE = Expensive if it goes wrong.
8v = Get a whole new engine for £50.
xe's are hardly expensive .. and there probably easier to come by parts for them now most of the 8vs have gone.
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by Sean-B
That statement about the 2.0 8v having a better torque curve is bollox. It was on here a few months back.
It has a more torque lower down than it does top end. But at no point doesn't make more torque than the 2.0 16v.
My XE pulls hard from 2k. And shits all over 2.0 8v corsas at any speed, gear, revs etc
Yes, therefore it IMO has abetter torque curve as you spend most of your ROAD driving time at lower rpm where you make use of the torque available. Not be stting at 3000+rpm to make use of the slightly higher torque of the XE.
Your XE may pull hard, but the 8v pulls better. And it won't sh1t over it at all  It'll pull, but it won't sh1t over it.
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by SportBoy
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Originally posted by Daimo B
XE = Expensive if it goes wrong.
8v = Get a whole new engine for £50.
xe's are hardly expensive .. and there probably easier to come by parts for them now most of the 8vs have gone.
Nope, but the parts are. Esp when compared to an 8v.
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barter
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2.0 8v cant be compared to a xe in my opinion,and ive had both. on a graph or what ever your talking about the 8v mite look impressive but i agree with sean,a xe will pull from start to finish on the 8v.and that point cant be argued.the xe its a more powerfull easy tuning engine,parts are by far from expensive,easy to get hold of and it dosnt matter were u live in the country you can get your hands on any part of a xe.
i dont understand how people can say a xe conversion is expensive,engine is cheap,parts are fair.ok you get litle niggles with them but you do with any engine conversion/moddified cars,thats what there all about.
[Edited on 04-08-2010 by barter]
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bubble
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Worst photoshop evaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
it fooled total vauxhall!
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by barter
2.0 8v cant be compared to a xe in my opinion,and ive had both. on a graph or what ever your talking about the 8v mite look impressive but i agree with sean,a xe will pull from start to finish on the 8v.and that point cant be argued.the xe its a more powerfull easy tuning engine,parts are by far from expensive,easy to get hold of and it dosnt matter were u live in the country you can get your hands on any part of a xe.
i dont understand how people can say a xe conversion is expensive,engine is cheap,parts are fair.ok you get litle niggles with them but you do with any engine conversion/moddified cars,thats what there all about.
[Edited on 04-08-2010 by barter]
Old skoolers like me, when the conversion parts alone cost £700, plus at least £300-£400 for an engine and 8v's were generally very available. I think times have changed, as you don't see so many Cav's and Astra GTE's on the roads these days. Im sure an engine conversion won't cost you £1k from home build either
I still don't think an XE is far far superiour to the 8v. Its only 20bhp, and on the road 20bhp is nothing.
And from what I can see, Seans looks like a rebuilt XE. I've had an XE in my corsa, but driven so many 8v's i've lost count. Im not denying the XE is faster, but on the road, the 8v is just as good, and hasn't got as many problems. as the XE's generally do.
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barter
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Originally posted by Daimo B
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Originally posted by barter
2.0 8v cant be compared to a xe in my opinion,and ive had both. on a graph or what ever your talking about the 8v mite look impressive but i agree with sean,a xe will pull from start to finish on the 8v.and that point cant be argued.the xe its a more powerfull easy tuning engine,parts are by far from expensive,easy to get hold of and it dosnt matter were u live in the country you can get your hands on any part of a xe.
i dont understand how people can say a xe conversion is expensive,engine is cheap,parts are fair.ok you get litle niggles with them but you do with any engine conversion/moddified cars,thats what there all about.
[Edited on 04-08-2010 by barter]
Old skoolers like me, when the conversion parts alone cost £700, plus at least £300-£400 for an engine and 8v's were generally very available. I think times have changed, as you don't see so many Cav's and Astra GTE's on the roads these days. Im sure an engine conversion won't cost you £1k from home build either
I still don't think an XE is far far superiour to the 8v. Its only 20bhp, and on the road 20bhp is nothing.
And from what I can see, Seans looks like a rebuilt XE. I've had an XE in my corsa, but driven so many 8v's i've lost count. Im not denying the XE is faster, but on the road, the 8v is just as good, and hasn't got as many problems. as the XE's generally do.
agree with all of that........but the part of 20bhp. side by side, stig vs another stig so cant be made out the other driver is shit.the xe will make a big gap.even at pod.proven! got slips for both. price wise you get what you pay for. big money 'most of the time' better car. i much preferd both of my xe's to the 8v in every little way,even looks.but agree with the problem side, its not masive repairs and there basic engines. own opinion but my mk4 astra gets no love because all it does is start up and drive's,never goes wrong... the xe's and now the rs im tinkering about with every now and then,makes me enjoy it more.
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DaveyLC
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I think the stig would tell you to fuck off if you asked him to drive an XE corsa B lol 
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barter
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never xe's are better and handle better than any supercar but you get what i was trying to say.i just didnt want a reply of...depends who's driving each car.
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Sunz
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Well its Thomas that's doing the conversion, sure he will have lots of fun with the corsa B if he chooses the 8v or 16v, will be a good improvement probably on the current engine 
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Thomas
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So they are both good engines,if you spend a lot of money you will get decent performance
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sand-eel
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C20GET
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barter
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yes tom,what engine are you running now?
if you are on a budget and power mods will be not much of a option go for the xe,but that will invole getting your hands dirty most weekends wih little niggels etc,nothing 'hopefully' major
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Sunz
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Yeah if you give a budget people can tell you the best mods and what kind of power you should expect.
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Thomas
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Originally posted by barter
yes tom,what engine are you running now?
if you are on a budget and power mods will be not much of a option go for the xe,but that will invole getting your hands dirty most weekends wih little niggels etc,nothing 'hopefully' major
just got a 1.2 8v in the car at the moment but not on a budget just want a decent engine with decent power if I put money into it don't want to get a engine where I throw money at it and don't have nothing to show for it
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barter
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could go for the 1.6 then when you had enoth could go bigger.theres loads out there to choose from mate, and loads of clean examples on here
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Thomas
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What engine you running
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AlunJ
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Originally posted by bubble
it fooled total vauxhall!
did it really?
davey you had to spoil it didn't you
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barter
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What engine you running
none vauxhall now i have a rs turbo at the mo. i did run a 2.0 16v (xe) engine i posted a pic on page 1
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Adam_B
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2.0 16v XE.
Excellent engine
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chrex
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my 8v was immense on the carbs, but it needed a new bottom end, so it wasnt as quick as it should have been.
When i put the XE in, it didnt feel much quicker tbh, and it was a bit of a disappointment.
My SEH was cam'd, ported and polished and running on the R1's. It never let me down once, even through the cold winter and show etc. The engine bay was easy to work in, there was loadsa room to get at everything, and the performance was superb (with a hammered bottom end).
Most notable thing though was the price of both the engines and bits. Most bottom end parts are XE anyway, and everything else is much cheaper to mod/replace.
 i still say that my SEH was more fun to drive than my x14xe corsa, the GSi when i put the XE in and the Accord Type-R i've got now. I miss it lots.
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Adam_B
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Surely with all that stuff on your 8v an XE would have obviously had less power?
[Edited on 04-08-2010 by Adam_B]
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chrex
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well, the 8v was rolled after the cam at 112bhp@wheels. So was quite a bit down on power to want it should have been (was confirmed that compression was down due to the piston rings being fubar) and it was just great fun to drive and rev. The cam wanted to go to 6800 but the bottom end was slowing everything down, and i could feel it a little, but still...it wanted to go.
Also, adam-d had a 1.6 8v on twin 40's in his corsa and round the track, it was a fast lil bugger.
I am a firm believer in 8v's on carbs! i'm by no means against XE's though, i had one in the cav and it was quick, is a cracking engine when worked and proven in the escorts etc as well as the astras and cavs.
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lostboy
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Originally posted by Daimo B
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Originally posted by Sean-B
That statement about the 2.0 8v having a better torque curve is bollox. It was on here a few months back.
It has a more torque lower down than it does top end. But at no point doesn't make more torque than the 2.0 16v.
My XE pulls hard from 2k. And shits all over 2.0 8v corsas at any speed, gear, revs etc
Yes, therefore it IMO has abetter torque curve as you spend most of your ROAD driving time at lower rpm where you make use of the torque available. Not be stting at 3000+rpm to make use of the slightly higher torque of the XE.
Your XE may pull hard, but the 8v pulls better. And it won't sh1t over it at all It'll pull, but it won't sh1t over it.
XE will shit all over it, lets say two Corsa B's one with an SRi 130 engine the other with a C20XE both healthy both in fifth gear at 50 mph both drop to third at the same time and floor it, 8V will be a speck in the rear view mirror in no time.
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