Steve
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gavins vts would not have made 140 bhp with anything less then cams + the rest, if doesnt have cams and it made 140bhp then the rollers were not reading right, rollers are only at best a guess anyway.
did you not read my 106gti made 7bhp with the above mods? that was a reading before and after mods so as accurate as you are going to get.
also a 1.2 16v corsa would not gain 16bhp with a manifold and 100 cell cat, that is ridiculous where is the power coming from? and i would hasten to add it would have been run on the same rollers that done gavins.
[Edited on 16-11-2010 by Steve]
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3CorsaMeal
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i'd get Lee M to take off the governor
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mwg
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My mate had a 106GTI that been tuned at LAD Motorsport to 170bhp. Not sure whether it really was 170bhp going off what a lot of people had to say about LAD but it was pretty quick either way.
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Steve
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that will have had cams, and possibly tb's for that power
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3CorsaMeal
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i have more than that and not even tuned it, what a waste of money
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Steve
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i hate getting into arguments about power figures and rolling roads, but people never learn, that a rolling road readout really means fuck all, its all just guesswork which is ultimatly based on a drag curve created by the roll down process which can be affected by tyre pressure, tyre sizes and width, binding brakes, even bad operators pressing the brakes (which used to be a trick employed by operators to give the bhp readout a lift meaning customers went away feeling happy)
this is why i have no interest in these rolling road days, pointless
[Edited on 16-11-2010 by Steve]
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3CorsaMeal
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i've never wanted to know, your better off not knowing unless you are really serious about it, like Nic "the corsa" Barnes
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Steve
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Barnes is a bit of an exception, well any high power car is, the readout in those cases will be close enough, say to say that your car has over 500bhp which is all he will be interested in, he wont care if his car actually has 510, rather then say 520
but when you are dealing with people in 1.4's claiming they have 5-10bhp more because a rolling road says so, might as well be pissing in the sand, the RR will not be anywhere close enough to being accurate to state that.
Look at andy stockers vxr took it to a RR and according to that it was at a massive loss, then he went away panic'ing about something being wrong, then took it somewhere else 2 weeks later that read that it was spot on and fine
[Edited on 16-11-2010 by Steve]
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mwg
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
that will have had cams, and possibly tb's for that power
"extensive cylinder head modification, incorporating larger inlet and exhaust ports and revised camshaft timing. An exhaust manifold and system based on the rally Kit Car engine" and he had some cams fitted after the LAD conversion that made it tick over rough as buggery.
It was nice, just a yellow 106 GTI with 306 GTI wheels and lowered.
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Ojc
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Steve in talking complete shit shocker.
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Steve
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Corsa 1.2 making 16bhp from a 100 cell cat or rolling roads being not accurate, hmm i wonder which sounds like bollocks
if you want to take this further i will be available all evening
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micra_pete
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
my 106 gti with a 4-2-1 manifold, induction kit, and Dastek unichip made 7 bhp, even the guys at the place who fitted it said it wont make much difference to bhp will just make it a bit more drivable and iron out any flat spots
[Edited on 16-11-2010 by Steve]
years ago when I had the Micra I made 30 bhp with the same modifications.
Disclaimers.
power was measured before and was a healthy standard
results were not taken on the same day
result above is an approximate, roughly 30, sometimes a little less sometime a little more.
7 dyno runs, all done at dodgy locations such as well lane and velos motorsport (showing my age)
not sure if air pressure, temp, tyre pressures, gear oil levels, air temp, moisture levels were measures.
Looks a good product though, the result of sound research.
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i'm not 100% sure where to fit this ebay item?
will it fit my escort? where does it go 
do you fit it instead of the airbox? or chuck it in the ducting somewhere?
i will get one, don't see it can do any harm to the engine
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Steve
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quote:
Originally posted by micra_pete
quote:
Originally posted by Steve
my 106 gti with a 4-2-1 manifold, induction kit, and Dastek unichip made 7 bhp, even the guys at the place who fitted it said it wont make much difference to bhp will just make it a bit more drivable and iron out any flat spots
[Edited on 16-11-2010 by Steve]
years ago when I had the Micra I made 30 bhp with the same modifications.
Disclaimers.
power was measured before and was a healthy standard
results were not taken on the same day
result above is an approximate, roughly 30, sometimes a little less sometime a little more.
7 dyno runs, all done at dodgy locations such as well lane and velos motorsport (showing my age)
not sure if air pressure, temp, tyre pressures, gear oil levels, air temp, moisture levels were measures.
Looks a good product though, the result of sound research.
where does 30bhp come from? car will be pretty much running as advanced timing as possible from the factory as this is almost the most fuel efficient and economical, so not much adjustment there, induction kit no, exhaust maybe a small amount so where does 30bhp come from?
i reckon the car was probably 30bhp down to start with 
[Edited on 16-11-2010 by Steve]
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micra_pete
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probably
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Ojc
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Steve has a self written rulebook on his desk and anything that isn't written in it to him is bollocks.
This is the same boy that states that different compound brake pads make no difference.
The 1.2 16v is tuneable engine, the 1.2 16v in the old Punto Sporting used to make 100bhp. What is stopping a lightly tuned version that is standard at 80bhp making 12bhp with a sports CAT and free flowing exhaust and manifold?
These engines are made to be economical.
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Steve
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they are different engines
yes they are made to be ecomonical, but what determines ecomony? fuel, and what determines fuel rate mainly, cams, injectors etc, yes you can remap the ecu, but you are still working with the same old cams/injectors etc, which will already be running at almost max duty, if you arent changing them where do you get this magic power
[Edited on 16-11-2010 by Steve]
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micra_pete
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he's got me mad with that answer Oliver.
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Steve
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if you lot want to believe you can fit a decat to a 1.2 and gain 16bhp thats fine by me if you want to go around kidding yourselves thats also fine by me
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micra_pete
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I like you a lot Steve. But you can be a misery.
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Ojc
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Bloke is clueless.
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tom130691
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thb steve is right but his explanations are extreme
rolloing road operaters can adjust how much the road "brakes", and rollers like everything else you get what you pay for if its a cheapo shit roller it will read stupid figure and need fixing alot
my explanations are shit but i know what he is saying you will get gains but nothing like you think and torque curve is more important than bhp anyway
exhausts is the worse people assume bigger diameter is better all the time
[Edited on 16-11-2010 by saxo_tom]
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Steve
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WHY IS EVERYONE DRIVING LIKE A SPASTIC JUST BECAUSE ITS MISTY
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i would buy one of those just too see how shite they are lol
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quote:
Originally posted by saxo_tom
thb steve is right
[Edited on 16-11-2010 by saxo_tom]
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