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Perfect punishment.
Beats being sent to a 5* prison with games consoles and pool tables.
I think they're pretty few and far between in Iran 
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Compared to the punishments over here, we offer 5* facilities for our murderers, pedos etc.
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Uneasy reading what they are going to do, but it is what he did to her. I wouldn't want to see it being done.
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I wouldn't fancy seeing it either. In my opinion their punishment set up is barbaric but then i can also see the reasoning behind it. Our regime is far to soft, granted but how do you justifiably sell harder corporal punishment to our pussy arsed government.
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If they blind him will he then live off the state or be left to fend for himself?
Maybe I'm being a bit too optimistic thinking their state looks after people the way we do!
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On his own matey, Iran's state isn't quite lke ours.
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I bet crime rates would drop if the uk introduced punishments like this.
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For sure, likewise so would prison over crouding and government spending on prisoner rehabilitaion
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european court for human rights is reponsible for a lot of shit
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I bet crime rates would drop if the uk introduced punishments like this.
doesnt seem to work in Iran, or saudi arabia, or in america, or any country in the history of man kind that has had corporal punishment.
The fucker deserved it - but it wont prevent crime at all....it just makes everyone 'feel' better for 5 minutes
Lets not pretend this is actually a good idea, or a way to prevent crime - its just violent revenge, nothing more, nothing less.
[Edited on 15-05-2011 by Dr Pepper]
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I bet crime rates would drop if the uk introduced punishments like this.
doesnt seem to work in Iran, or saudi arabia, or in america, or any country in the history of man kind that has had corporal punishment.
The fucker deserved it - but it wont prevent crime at all....it just makes everyone 'feel' better for 5 minutes
Lets not pretend this is actually a good idea, or a way to prevent crime - its just violent revenge, nothing more, nothing less.
[Edited on 15-05-2011 by Dr Pepper]
I dont know, the UK is 6th in the highest crime rate per 1000 people out of 60 countries of which the closest Arabic/Muslim country to it is Yemen at 60th. Iran doesn't seem to suffer too bad it seems but then death/mutilation does seem a pretty good deterant. Even more so considering those punishments are for pretty minimal crimes in comparrison to murder and what not.
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i like the idea of this.
seems perfectly fine to me.
i'm getting to like iran now. apart from being smelly, they seem to have their heads switched on.
yes - a country where people who were caught using twitter during their last 'elections' had to switch their families around with other protesters ...because when government special forces arrived they were known to force you to rape your own family members.
they definately have their 'heads switched on' as a nation
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Originally posted by sc0ott
I bet crime rates would drop if the uk introduced punishments like this.
doesnt seem to work in Iran, or saudi arabia, or in america, or any country in the history of man kind that has had corporal punishment.
The fucker deserved it - but it wont prevent crime at all....it just makes everyone 'feel' better for 5 minutes
Lets not pretend this is actually a good idea, or a way to prevent crime - its just violent revenge, nothing more, nothing less.
[Edited on 15-05-2011 by Dr Pepper]
do you not feel it serves as a greater deterrant?
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And do said countries have the same punishment system where they drop acid into eyes?
I recon it would work in the uk. The amount of pussy like gang crimes that you hear of all the time imo if they knew a few other their mates had their hands chopped off i think they would think twice next time.
I say having the opertunity to have a revenge attack/punishment is a good thing. The amount of criminals that get out of jail only to go and do the same thing again, if not worse.
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Originally posted by sc0ott
I bet crime rates would drop if the uk introduced punishments like this.
doesnt seem to work in Iran, or saudi arabia, or in america, or any country in the history of man kind that has had corporal punishment.
The fucker deserved it - but it wont prevent crime at all....it just makes everyone 'feel' better for 5 minutes
Lets not pretend this is actually a good idea, or a way to prevent crime - its just violent revenge, nothing more, nothing less.
[Edited on 15-05-2011 by Dr Pepper]
do you not feel it serves as a greater deterrant?
No - people who committ these crimes do so becuase they are unhinged/insane, or out of fear, neccessity or desperation. They are generally people who do not give a shit about the consequences, or what they will get in the form of punishment.
Iran has this system ...did it stop this guy from attacking someone with acid ?.... no
In the us - every state that has the death penalty has a higher murder rate than its neighbouring states that do not have it. The south is resonsible for 80% of death penalties - and is the murder capital of america. States without the death penalty have had 20-40% lower murder rates than states with it for the last 30 years.
This trend is followed in every country that has the death penalty .. it doesnt work, nor does 'an eye for an eye'
The only thing that stops crime is making poor people, less poor and treating mental illness properly .... FACT
[Edited on 15-05-2011 by Dr Pepper]
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# 1 Dominica: 113.822 per 1,000 people
# 2 New Zealand: 105.881 per 1,000 people
# 3 Finland: 101.526 per 1,000 people
# 4 Denmark: 92.8277 per 1,000 people
# 5 Chile: 88.226 per 1,000 people
# 6 United Kingdom: 85.5517 per 1,000 people
# 7 Montserrat: 80.3982 per 1,000 people
# 8 United States: 80.0645 per 1,000 people
# 9 Netherlands: 79.5779 per 1,000 people
# 10 South Africa: 77.1862 per 1,000 people
# 11 Germany: 75.9996 per 1,000 people
# 12 Canada: 75.4921 per 1,000 people
# 13 Norway: 71.8639 per 1,000 people
# 14 France: 62.1843 per 1,000 people
# 15 Seychelles: 52.9265 per 1,000 people
# 16 Hungary: 44.9763 per 1,000 people
# 17 Estonia: 43.3601 per 1,000 people
# 18 Czech Republic: 38.2257 per 1,000 people
# 19 Italy: 37.9633 per 1,000 people
# 20 Switzerland: 36.1864 per 1,000 people
# 21 Portugal: 34.3833 per 1,000 people
# 22 Slovenia: 33.6236 per 1,000 people
# 23 Poland: 32.8573 per 1,000 people
# 24 Korea, South: 31.7267 per 1,000 people
# 25 Mauritius: 29.1982 per 1,000 people
# 26 Zimbabwe: 28.8753 per 1,000 people
# 27 Lithuania: 22.8996 per 1,000 people
# 28 Spain: 22.8867 per 1,000 people
# 29 Latvia: 21.921 per 1,000 people
# 30 Uruguay: 21.7017 per 1,000 people
# 31 Russia: 20.5855 per 1,000 people
# 32 Ireland: 20.2376 per 1,000 people
# 33 Bulgaria: 19.9886 per 1,000 people
# 34 Japan: 19.177 per 1,000 people
# 35 Romania: 16.4812 per 1,000 people
# 36 Slovakia: 16.3537 per 1,000 people
# 37 Jamaica: 14.3231 per 1,000 people
# 38 Belarus: 13.1592 per 1,000 people
# 39 Mexico: 12.8406 per 1,000 people
# 40 Tunisia: 12.5634 per 1,000 people
# 41 Costa Rica: 11.9788 per 1,000 people
# 42 Ukraine: 11.7793 per 1,000 people
# 43 Hong Kong: 11.6817 per 1,000 people
# 44 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 9.689 per 1,000 people
# 45 Greece: 9.6347 per 1,000 people
# 46 Venezuela: 9.307 per 1,000 people
# 47 Thailand: 8.80422 per 1,000 people
# 48 Moldova: 8.58967 per 1,000 people
# 49 Kyrgyzstan: 7.50486 per 1,000 people
# 50 Malaysia: 6.97921 per 1,000 people
# 51 Qatar: 6.76437 per 1,000 people
# 52 Zambia: 5.27668 per 1,000 people
# 53 Colombia: 4.98654 per 1,000 people
# 54 Turkey: 4.11252 per 1,000 people
# 55 Armenia: 4.03889 per 1,000 people
# 56 Georgia: 3.21338 per 1,000 people
# 57 Papua New Guinea: 2.39711 per 1,000 people
# 58 Azerbaijan: 1.76416 per 1,000 people
# 59 India: 1.63352 per 1,000 people
# 60 Yemen: 1.16109 per 1,000 people
Its a mess i'll admit and for that i'm sorry but the above statistics state that your wrong. Out of the top twenty countries how many have the death penalty?
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Mental illness isn't always the reason for crime and is so often used as a scape goat for peoples actions.
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Ok those who rape woman, and groups of guys who kick the shit out of a single person to a point where they die should be either made poorer or be treated because they are mental? Or should they be put in a luxury prison, do the time and be put back on the streets in no time.
The victims families have to live with what has happened which can effect their lives but at the end of the day those who do the crimes get the slap on the rist.
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# 1 Dominica: 113.822 per 1,000 people
# 2 New Zealand: 105.881 per 1,000 people
# 3 Finland: 101.526 per 1,000 people
# 4 Denmark: 92.8277 per 1,000 people
# 5 Chile: 88.226 per 1,000 people
# 6 United Kingdom: 85.5517 per 1,000 people
# 7 Montserrat: 80.3982 per 1,000 people
# 8 United States: 80.0645 per 1,000 people
# 9 Netherlands: 79.5779 per 1,000 people
# 10 South Africa: 77.1862 per 1,000 people
# 11 Germany: 75.9996 per 1,000 people
# 12 Canada: 75.4921 per 1,000 people
# 13 Norway: 71.8639 per 1,000 people
# 14 France: 62.1843 per 1,000 people
# 15 Seychelles: 52.9265 per 1,000 people
# 16 Hungary: 44.9763 per 1,000 people
# 17 Estonia: 43.3601 per 1,000 people
# 18 Czech Republic: 38.2257 per 1,000 people
# 19 Italy: 37.9633 per 1,000 people
# 20 Switzerland: 36.1864 per 1,000 people
# 21 Portugal: 34.3833 per 1,000 people
# 22 Slovenia: 33.6236 per 1,000 people
# 23 Poland: 32.8573 per 1,000 people
# 24 Korea, South: 31.7267 per 1,000 people
# 25 Mauritius: 29.1982 per 1,000 people
# 26 Zimbabwe: 28.8753 per 1,000 people
# 27 Lithuania: 22.8996 per 1,000 people
# 28 Spain: 22.8867 per 1,000 people
# 29 Latvia: 21.921 per 1,000 people
# 30 Uruguay: 21.7017 per 1,000 people
# 31 Russia: 20.5855 per 1,000 people
# 32 Ireland: 20.2376 per 1,000 people
# 33 Bulgaria: 19.9886 per 1,000 people
# 34 Japan: 19.177 per 1,000 people
# 35 Romania: 16.4812 per 1,000 people
# 36 Slovakia: 16.3537 per 1,000 people
# 37 Jamaica: 14.3231 per 1,000 people
# 38 Belarus: 13.1592 per 1,000 people
# 39 Mexico: 12.8406 per 1,000 people
# 40 Tunisia: 12.5634 per 1,000 people
# 41 Costa Rica: 11.9788 per 1,000 people
# 42 Ukraine: 11.7793 per 1,000 people
# 43 Hong Kong: 11.6817 per 1,000 people
# 44 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 9.689 per 1,000 people
# 45 Greece: 9.6347 per 1,000 people
# 46 Venezuela: 9.307 per 1,000 people
# 47 Thailand: 8.80422 per 1,000 people
# 48 Moldova: 8.58967 per 1,000 people
# 49 Kyrgyzstan: 7.50486 per 1,000 people
# 50 Malaysia: 6.97921 per 1,000 people
# 51 Qatar: 6.76437 per 1,000 people
# 52 Zambia: 5.27668 per 1,000 people
# 53 Colombia: 4.98654 per 1,000 people
# 54 Turkey: 4.11252 per 1,000 people
# 55 Armenia: 4.03889 per 1,000 people
# 56 Georgia: 3.21338 per 1,000 people
# 57 Papua New Guinea: 2.39711 per 1,000 people
# 58 Azerbaijan: 1.76416 per 1,000 people
# 59 India: 1.63352 per 1,000 people
# 60 Yemen: 1.16109 per 1,000 people
Its a mess i'll admit and for that i'm sorry but the above statistics state that your wrong. Out of the top twenty countries how many have the death penalty?
So what - you cant prove those rates would be lower if those countries had the death penalty .... have you considered that ours, and other countries with high crime rates could actually get worse with capital punishment .
Those stats do not prove you right - they dont prove anything? They are just crime rates.
The best stat you can look at is the usa ... some states have the death sentance ..others dont ... the states with the death sentance have higher murder rates than the ones who dont. Again - you could say that its becuase the states with the penalty are more violent places, or produce more murderers - and that if you done away with the death penalty their would be even more murders?
You cant prove either point right or wrong with stats ...but you can say that countries who have capital punishemtn stil, have plenty of murders and plenty of crime, and they still have thousands, or millions of people on prison..... so to suggest it will cure violent, or petty crime is complete nonsense
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Prison only works 60% of teh time, many people unfortunatly leave prison and reoffend with in weeks of release.
Cut a hand off and they'll think twice before pinching another car again.
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Mental illness isn't always the reason for crime and is so often used as a scape goat for peoples actions.
No one is suggesting it is ... but you dont get many sane, well eduacated people committing violent crimes.
Im classing drug addicts as mentally ill as well - treat drug addiction and you will get lower crime rates - both petty and violent crimes
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Your making my head thump. Look at the stats. NZ is higher up the ranks than the US even though the US has the death penalty. Introduce the death penalty in NZ and maybe the stats will drop or as your saying they'll rise. Either way, a country already loaded with teh death penelty is lower than five other countries with out.
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Prison only works 60% of teh time, many people unfortunatly leave prison and reoffend with in weeks of release.
Cut a hand off and they'll think twice before pinching another car again.
well it doesnt work in iran does it. The reason for this thread is that someone has thrown acid in a womens face - knowing he will have it done back to him ..... the detterent didnt work.
If you think iran is a safe place to live then go their - they dont even report their crime - thats why they are not on your 'list'
Iran kills prisoners in prison and dumps the bodies. They stoned to death a 13 year old girl for incest(her dad had raped her) her dad threw the first stone at her execution, they stone women to death for adultery ...and yet they keep on doing it. They hang teens who wear american fashion brands - because they are thought to be gay.
really got their heads screwed on over there
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I'm not stating that all of their policies are right. Hell, women are classed lower than dogs over there but either way the deterant works better than it does over here.... FACT. Saudi, Iraq, Yemen, Egypt,UAE, Jordan all practise the use of the death penelty and alas have lower crime rates regardless of some of their odd beliefs.
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Your making my head thump. Look at the stats. NZ is higher up the ranks than the US even though the US has the death penalty. Introduce the death penalty in NZ and maybe the stats will drop or as your saying they'll rise. Either way, a country already loaded with teh death penelty is lower than five other countries with out.
Im not saying they will drop or rise - im saying their will be very little difference.
The reasons for crime will still exist - their is no evidence to show that zero tolerance, or corporal punishment reduce crime ..... no evidence at all. There is also no evidence to show it would rise under these systems.
There is however a mountain of evidence to show that eliminating poverty, especially large areas of civilian poverty, and effectively dealing with drug and mental illness problems does reduce petty crime and violent crime significantly
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