--ToM--
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yeah im shit at explaining what i mean but i got there in the end lol but i also mean its not just power to weight its also how the drivetrain delivers that power aswell
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Corsa_Sport21
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I can have a Vectra C 2.2 16v down in a few hours for this big race.
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Eck
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We've been through this Graham. My EK9 engined EE9 is quick (when running right), but gets fucking done by my Volvo T5. No nonsense power dicks all in normal situations.
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Eck
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I can have a Vectra C 2.2 16v down in a few hours for this big race.
5am race? I'm up then and far too drunk to race now. I still need to take you out Nik. This weekend?
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chris_uk
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your right it is.
but generally the faster accellerating gearbox = slower top speed, where you gain in one place you loose in another.
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--ToM--
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Originally posted by chris_uk
your right it is.
but generally the faster accellerating gearbox = slower top speed, where you gain in one place you loose in another.
thank you thats what i was trying to say iv got an f16 on my XE corsa and it will pull quicker off the line that a few 1.8 2.0 turbocharged cars but rolling start situation they will pull away from me and beat me top end as my box is shorter ratios but it all depends what the cars built for to be fast in a straight line or fast round corners aswell etc etc etc which is what i was trying to say by using my mates seat as an example with the 1/4 mile times compared to bhp figures
[Edited on 18-07-2011 by --ToM--]
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chris_uk
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what kind of cars are these 1.8/2.0 turbo cars in?
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Corsa_Sport21
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quote:
Originally posted by Eck
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Originally posted by Corsa_Sport21
I can have a Vectra C 2.2 16v down in a few hours for this big race.
5am race? I'm up then and far too drunk to race now. I still need to take you out Nik. This weekend?
Less coppers out at 2am,and its still dark then too.lol.
Aye sounds like a plan,would love a go in it tbh,see what a properly quick wee Honda is all about.
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BarnshaW
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out of interest how much does an EK9 civic weigh?
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chris_uk
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quote:
Originally posted by Corsa_Sport21
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Originally posted by Eck
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Originally posted by Corsa_Sport21
I can have a Vectra C 2.2 16v down in a few hours for this big race.
5am race? I'm up then and far too drunk to race now. I still need to take you out Nik. This weekend?
Less coppers out at 2am,and its still dark then too.lol.
Aye sounds like a plan,would love a go in it tbh,see what a properly quick wee Honda is all about.
can i join in 
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chris_uk
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Originally posted by BarnshaW
out of interest how much does an EK9 civic weigh?
900kg i think (ish)
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--ToM--
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iv been quicker off the line than a gold 1.8 turbo an audi a3 1.8 turbo even though there basically the same and was the same time up the strip at my mates seat 1.8 20v turbo i also ran a quiker time up strip than a let nova but im not going to count that as it was an absoloute bin and the engine sounded ruff as fuck iv beaten a vectra 2.2 sri aswell but there heavy so a different league really
[Edited on 18-07-2011 by --ToM--]
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Corsa_Sport21
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quote:
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Originally posted by chris_uk
your right it is.
but generally the faster accellerating gearbox = slower top speed, where you gain in one place you loose in another.
thank you thats what i was trying to say iv got an f16 on my XE corsa and it will pull quicker off the line that a few 1.8 2.0 turbocharged cars but rolling start situation they will pull away from me and beat me top end as my box is shorter ratios but it all depends what the cars built for to be fast in a straight line or fast round corners aswell etc etc etc which is what i was trying to say by using my mates seat as an example with the 1/4 mile times compared to bhp figures
[Edited on 18-07-2011 by --ToM--]
F16 has the same ratios as an F20.
Top end will be just under 140.
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Corsa_Sport21
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Originally posted by chris_uk
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Originally posted by BarnshaW
out of interest how much does an EK9 civic weigh?
900kg i think (ish)
Don't think they are that light.
At i guess i would say around 1100kg give or take.
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chris_uk
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Originally posted by --ToM--
iv been quicker off the line than a gold 1.8 turbo an audi a3 1.8 turbo even though there basically the same and was the same time up the strip at my mates seat 1.8 20v turbo i also ran a quiker time up strip than a let nova but im not going to count that as it was an absoloute bin and the engine sounded ruff as fuck iv beaten a vectra 2.2 sri aswell but there heavy so a different league really
[Edited on 18-07-2011 by --ToM--]
im sorry what engine have you got in your corsa?
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--ToM--
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gear ratios arent the same in a 16 and a 20
Gearbox F16W F16C F20
Gear ratio ratio ratio
1st 3.42 3.42 3.42
2nd 1.95 2.16 2.16
3rd 1.28 1.48 1.48
4th 0.89 1.12 1.12
5th 0.71 0.89 0.89
[Edited on 18-07-2011 by --ToM--]
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chris_uk
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quote:
Originally posted by Corsa_Sport21
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Originally posted by chris_uk
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Originally posted by BarnshaW
out of interest how much does an EK9 civic weigh?
900kg i think (ish)
Don't think they are that light.
At i guess i would say around 1100kg give or take.
yea i think your right
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chris_uk
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Originally posted by --ToM--
Gearbox F16W F16C F20
Gear ratio ratio ratio
1st 3.42 3.42 3.42
2nd 1.95 2.16 2.16
3rd 1.28 1.48 1.48
4th 0.89 1.12 1.12
5th 0.71 0.89 0.89
so what your saying is that he was right because you failed to distinguish which F16 you had.
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--ToM--
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quote:
Originally posted by chris_uk
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Originally posted by --ToM--
iv been quicker off the line than a gold 1.8 turbo an audi a3 1.8 turbo even though there basically the same and was the same time up the strip at my mates seat 1.8 20v turbo i also ran a quiker time up strip than a let nova but im not going to count that as it was an absoloute bin and the engine sounded ruff as fuck iv beaten a vectra 2.2 sri aswell but there heavy so a different league really
[Edited on 18-07-2011 by --ToM--]
im sorry what engine have you got in your corsa?
2.0 16v XE f16 box equal length shafts
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--ToM--
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Originally posted by --ToM--
Gearbox F16W F16C F20
Gear ratio ratio ratio
1st 3.42 3.42 3.42
2nd 1.95 2.16 2.16
3rd 1.28 1.48 1.48
4th 0.89 1.12 1.12
5th 0.71 0.89 0.89
so what your saying is that he was right because you failed to distinguish which F16 you had.
he didnt ask which f16 i had he said the f16 is the same as the f20 there is a number of variants of both boxes and the ratios arent the same in them all
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Corsa_Sport21
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But you are saying yours has a shit top end.So that rules out an F16W seeing as that has a higher top end than both the F16C and F20.
So that would mean you have the F16C,which i assumed you had.
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chris_uk
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and one is if you look at the chart.
tbh, if your saying that it was different you should of specified which one you had.
also the F16W is a long ratio box (correct me if im wrong) which means the shorter ratio one (F16C) is infact the same as the F20 one.
eg.
My gearbox has a final drive of 3.95 and if i wanted a faster gearchange i would get a 4.17 final drive.
to me that means the higher the number ratio the faster the box is, if you like.
[Edited on 18-07-2011 by chris_uk]
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Graham88
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We've been through this Graham. My EK9 engined EE9 is quick (when running right), but gets fucking done by my Volvo T5. No nonsense power dicks all in normal situations.
I was agreeing with you 
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--ToM--
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i compared my top end not to an f20 but to what ever gearbox is in the seat ibiza cupra r and the golf and audi 1800 turbos if i was to compare my gearbox to an f20 id tell you that my mate whos running a xe on an f20 box in his nova is slower off the line and top end than mine
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chris_uk
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you said your car had a F16 and had shorter ratios which means you much have the F16C which is the same as the F20, which is exactly what C_S21 said.
unless you mean it had shorter ratios than the 1.8 audis but then how would you know?
anyway i dont give a fuck tbh, yes a shorter ratio box will accelerate faster than a longer box, you sacrifice top end speed so if thats your prefered result then good.
[Edited on 18-07-2011 by chris_uk]
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