Joe
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£369 for that  . must be solid gold spark plugs.
No that will be for all 8 spark plugs.....
that is a tad on the high side - we do it for £329 (audi)
8 spark plugs? Pics of v8 honda jazz please im Intrigued
[Edited on 29-03-2012 by corsajay88]
2 plugs per cylinder on a jazz.
Also of course they have thousands of pounds worth of stuff. Not saying they will use it on a jazz as they won't but it costs money to have the latest software, newest tools, immaculate workshops etc.
Internet is full of absolute retards when it comes to the motor industry. There will always be cheaper, better, easier ways of doing things but it's not a charity. Of course you need to make money. Charging £100 on a service that takes half an hour is probably normal. No garage could possibly make a first service on a normal car take 2 hours, there simply isn't enough to do.
The Internet.
The Joe has spoken all is sorted. And can I just remind you that you spend most of your life on the Internet so if you don't like it the fuck off 
Oh do fuck of you patronising moron. Just because I can see past your show off bullshit that goes on on here. I'm speaking from working in a garage perspective as is stan and funnily enough we are talking sense because we are used to knobs like you who think they know it all.
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stan_the_man
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Diagnostic machines cost £1000's to buy and update, also the training in how to use and understand them costs too.
To get a car plugged in to the diag takes time by the mechanic who is using it. It's just progression. Cars are more computer based these days than ever, and maintaining them is still the same principal. The mechanic doing the job needs trained and also need to spend time physically doing the work.
It's either that or spend hours of labour fault finding.
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Mattb
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Also a monkey could service a car. Any other problems and it's the computer that tells them the fault AND how to fix it! funny how only the old timers are allowed to do rebuilds etc
First part true - its not particularly difficult to service a car - its why alot of people do it themselves..
Second part is complete and utter tosh and completely laughable. If the computers tell is how to fix the car then people like me would be out of a job. I would also add that if you gave an 'old timer' as you put it a modern engine to rebuild (such as the current 2.0 TFSI which we are rebuilding a fair amount of at the moment due to excessive oil consumption) they would shit a proverbial brick - fall over and possibly die
Plus main dealers are so expensive as the they need to pay for the excessive amounts of managers etc
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Mattb
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It's just progression. Cars are more computer based these days than ever
57 different control units on some of the current high spec A7's 
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LeeM
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I used to watch the lads at Lexus spending half an hour on a 2 hour job, £120 an hour labour iirc Fucking daylight robbery and the way they make there money unfortunately.
I agree it's expensive, but it's a specialised field that takes a long time to learn and master and they have thousands of pounds worth of tools.
Specialist field??? there not aeronaughtical engineers! There not even mechanics. There 'technicians' who just plug in a diagnostic or look on a dealer network computer. Plus the fact they spend thousands on tools is laughable, they do it for show as most of the stuff they actually use you could use Halfords professional and not get stuck.
Plus they get paid about £12 an hour so were does the other £108 go?  I've worked in the motor trade so I know how the bullshit rolls
of course its specialist, it takes years to train and become a mechanic. decent tools are essential, halfords ratchets are crap compared to blue point or snap on
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Dave
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Also a monkey could service a car. Any other problems and it's the computer that tells them the fault AND how to fix it! funny how only the old timers are allowed to do rebuilds etc
First part true - its not particularly difficult to service a car - its why alot of people do it themselves..
Second part is complete and utter tosh and completely laughable. If the computers tell is how to fix the car then people like me would be out of a job. I would also add that if you gave an 'old timer' as you put it a modern engine to rebuild (such as the current 2.0 TFSI which we are rebuilding a fair amount of at the moment due to excessive oil consumption) they would shit a proverbial brick - fall over and possibly die
Plus main dealers are so expensive as the they need to pay for the excessive amounts of managers etc
Elsawin (or whatever it's current equivalent is called) is lovely though 
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SXi_Tim
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I used to watch the lads at Lexus spending half an hour on a 2 hour job, £120 an hour labour iirc Fucking daylight robbery and the way they make there money unfortunately.
I agree it's expensive, but it's a specialised field that takes a long time to learn and master and they have thousands of pounds worth of tools.
Specialist field??? there not aeronaughtical engineers! There not even mechanics. There 'technicians' who just plug in a diagnostic or look on a dealer network computer. Plus the fact they spend thousands on tools is laughable, they do it for show as most of the stuff they actually use you could use Halfords professional and not get stuck.
Plus they get paid about £12 an hour so were does the other £108 go? I've worked in the motor trade so I know how the bullshit rolls
What the hell are they then? We have 12 mechanics at our dealership and most of them are highly skilled, one of the master techs is an ex RAF technician etc. And most of the tools the don't need?
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LeeM
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should just get 12 school leavers with a load of halfords tool, will cost less
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SXi_Tim
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Yeah, good idea
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LeeM
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could charge less for a service then too
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SXi_Tim
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and watch the business go under within a month
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Mattb
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Elsawin (or whatever it's current equivalent is called) is lovely though
Elsapro its alright - half the time you need to take into consideration the workshop manuals are all based on LHD cars - so when it tells you that something is on the drivers side - it might not be!
Not made my mind up on the new diag system 'ODIS' time will tell - cant even remember when it becomes compulsary tbh
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Sunz
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So if some mechanics use snap on they could charge more per hour to cover the cost of their tools !
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LeeM
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So if some mechanics use snap on they could charge more per hour to cover the cost of their tools !
not at all, im saying that the job requires expensive tools and a lot of training. this is reflected by the fact they dont work for free
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Dave
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Elsawin (or whatever it's current equivalent is called) is lovely though
Elsapro its alright - half the time you need to take into consideration the workshop manuals are all based on LHD cars - so when it tells you that something is on the drivers side - it might not be!
Not made my mind up on the new diag system 'ODIS' time will tell - cant even remember when it becomes compulsary tbh
My £5 eBay special has paid for itself many times over, I repaired the S3 after cambelt failure with little more than that, a Halfords socket set and a torque wrench
My brother is getting a new exhaust soon for his R8 spyder, couldn't believe it when I found full procedure on Elsawin!
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Mattb
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Elsawin (or whatever it's current equivalent is called) is lovely though
Elsapro its alright - half the time you need to take into consideration the workshop manuals are all based on LHD cars - so when it tells you that something is on the drivers side - it might not be!
Not made my mind up on the new diag system 'ODIS' time will tell - cant even remember when it becomes compulsary tbh
My £5 eBay special has paid for itself many times over, I repaired the S3 after cambelt failure with little more than that, a Halfords socket set and a torque wrench
My brother is getting a new exhaust soon for his R8 spyder, couldn't believe it when I found full procedure on Elsawin!
I have to agree there - bought elsawin on ebay for a freind with an independant - was very good....
BTW have fun with that exhaust change! they are a bit of a pig! you will get bored of torx 30 bolts
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Sunz
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So if some mechanics use snap on they could charge more per hour to cover the cost of their tools !
not at all, im saying that the job requires expensive tools and a lot of training. this is reflected by the fact they dont work for free
Fair enough, I wasn't aim any comments at anyones reply, I was just being scarcastic in general.
But yeah is a fine line between what they should be paid and what they are paid, but I guess thats the World, some people are paid 15k a day to kick a ball around for 2 hours.
I think the back street garage here charge £35 an hour, seems pretty decent compaired to some of these dealer prices.
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Mattb
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So if some mechanics use snap on they could charge more per hour to cover the cost of their tools !
not at all, im saying that the job requires expensive tools and a lot of training. this is reflected by the fact they dont work for free
Fair enough, I wasn't aim any comments at anyones reply, I was just being scarcastic in general.
But yeah is a fine line between what they should be paid and what they are paid, but I guess thats the World, some people are paid 15k a day to kick a ball around for 2 hours.
I think the back street garage here charge £35 an hour, seems pretty decent compaired to some of these dealer prices.
My take on it is that in general as technicians we as a whole under paid (who isnt tho!) - HOWEVER - the labour rate set at main dealers is too much (ours is something daft like £144 p/h)
Lots of the smaller independants and back street garages do a fantastic job at a decent price - if someone with a 15 year old audi said they were booking it in at a main dealer i would be concerned that they werent all there as it were!
Again someone with a brand new car at a backstreet would be the same as often they dont have the experience with new stuff (worked on an R8 serviced at a back street place - laughed my ass off at how they had 'drained' the oil)
Its swings and roundabouts at the end of the day - plenty of places will do the same job for differing prices - but its the percieved quality of work that counts at the end of the day and how happy you are at the end of it all
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£369 for that . must be solid gold spark plugs.
No that will be for all 8 spark plugs.....
that is a tad on the high side - we do it for £329 (audi)
8 spark plugs? Pics of v8 honda jazz please im Intrigued
[Edited on 29-03-2012 by corsajay88]
2 plugs per cylinder on a jazz.
Also of course they have thousands of pounds worth of stuff. Not saying they will use it on a jazz as they won't but it costs money to have the latest software, newest tools, immaculate workshops etc.
Internet is full of absolute retards when it comes to the motor industry. There will always be cheaper, better, easier ways of doing things but it's not a charity. Of course you need to make money. Charging £100 on a service that takes half an hour is probably normal. No garage could possibly make a first service on a normal car take 2 hours, there simply isn't enough to do.
The Internet.
The Joe has spoken all is sorted. And can I just remind you that you spend most of your life on the Internet so if you don't like it the fuck off
Oh do fuck of you patronising moron. Just because I can see past your show off bullshit that goes on on here. I'm speaking from working in a garage perspective as is stan and funnily enough we are talking sense because we are used to knobs like you who think they know it all.
Omg patronising? Coming from one of the biggest twats on here? Fucking rich that
Also show off bullshit?? How exactly?  i just so happens to have done a lot in my personal and working life so I'm more than qualified to have an opinion. Take Vagcom for instance. I got all the gear and could 'diagnose' faults all by myself with no training.
Even the lads in work say they are techies and NOT mechanics. If there was ever an older car come in with a real problem then Steve (46 and a proper mechanic since he was 16) would have to do it as the other lads never had a clue.
And I'm talking from experience aswell, being an engineer and all, oh and a qualified spark.
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Steve
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Difference between a mechanic and a technician is a technician replaces parts a mechanic fixes what was broken in the first place tony told me that what a man
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stan_the_man
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So would a 'techie' replace discs, pads, calipers, gearboxes, clutches, engines, diffs, driveshafts, CV's, brake shoes, wipers, service items inc timing and aux belts, timing chains, bulbs, suspension?
No computers needed for any of those parts (except wanky electric handbrakes) and yet all parts that cars have had for over 100 years and still do?
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LeeM
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Difference between a technician and mechanic is the job title.
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Mertin
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So whats a mechanical technician, a mechanic or a tech? Its not two different jobs
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Mattb
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WOW this has gone off topic slightly!
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Also show off bullshit?? How exactly? i just so happens to have done a lot in my personal and working life so I'm more than qualified to have an opinion. Take Vagcom for instance. I got all the gear and could 'diagnose' faults all by myself with no training.
Even the lads in work say they are techies and NOT mechanics. If there was ever an older car come in with a real problem then Steve (46 and a proper mechanic since he was 16) would have to do it as the other lads never had a clue.
Firstly im sure you would be fine with basic faults and 'Vagcom' but without any kind of training you could end up being led down the garden path or round in circles..
Good couple of examples of faults being 'Bank 1 catalyst efficiency too low sporadic' or 'EGR system throughput too high' or 'Bank 1 mixture adaption at idle too lean'
Those faults could mean any number of different component failure and without any training you could be guessing at whats wrong.. Not having a dig - i know nothing of your experiance etc but the point you raise seems to be fairly flawed
Secondly if they 'lads in work' are saying they are techies and not mechanics then to be honest - they either have a low opinion of their capabilities or they arent that great at their job. A good technican should be comfortable doing both sides of the job, ie Mechanics and Electrical stuff and should be able to deal with anything that comes through the door (within reason obviously)
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Ian
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Probably means different things to different people.
You main dealer folk can defend it if you wish but you're paying for the plastic flowers somehow.
Likewise back street will cut corners because its their money they're spending on doing it properly.
Out of interest what is involved in an R8 oil change?
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