Teddy
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Originally posted by TNM
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Originally posted by Colin
Doesnt matter what you do really GSi Vs GTi/VTS the latter is always going to be the quicker.......compairing a car modded or stripped against one thats not is just stupid & unfair!! My scooby could beat a mcLaren F1 if I stripped it & fitted a jato on the back
colin i have been trying to get this point over every time some one posts a silly thread like this 
Well if its that - you dont need to post really do you?
The point was that with the weight EVEN there is not alot in it.
Thats the point THAT most have seemed to grasp./
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Ojc
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Originally posted by Teddy
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Originally posted by Ojc
Teddy, I am going to race you at PVS in the Nova, show you what the X16XE can do when the shell its moving does not weigh as much as a Corsa.
Why? My LET might be in then 
I'll still beat you
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Teddy
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Originally posted by Ojc
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Originally posted by Teddy
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Originally posted by Ojc
Teddy, I am going to race you at PVS in the Nova, show you what the X16XE can do when the shell its moving does not weigh as much as a Corsa.
Why? My LET might be in then
I'll still beat you
Can we touch each other at the end?
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R Lee
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Originally posted by Teddy
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Originally posted by TNM
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Originally posted by Colin
Doesnt matter what you do really GSi Vs GTi/VTS the latter is always going to be the quicker.......compairing a car modded or stripped against one thats not is just stupid & unfair!! My scooby could beat a mcLaren F1 if I stripped it & fitted a jato on the back
colin i have been trying to get this point over every time some one posts a silly thread like this
Well if its that - you dont need to post really do you?
The point was that with the weight EVEN there is not alot in it.
Thats the point THAT most have seemed to grasp./
i 100% agree with teddy.
the point of the thread is that IF both cars were same weight, there is not much in it
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Teddy
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Originally posted by Richard Lee
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Originally posted by Teddy
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Originally posted by TNM
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Originally posted by Colin
Doesnt matter what you do really GSi Vs GTi/VTS the latter is always going to be the quicker.......compairing a car modded or stripped against one thats not is just stupid & unfair!! My scooby could beat a mcLaren F1 if I stripped it & fitted a jato on the back
colin i have been trying to get this point over every time some one posts a silly thread like this
Well if its that - you dont need to post really do you?
The point was that with the weight EVEN there is not alot in it.
Thats the point THAT most have seemed to grasp./
i 100% agree with teddy.
the point of the thread is that IF both cars were same weight, there is not much in it
The GSi had so much more potenal than Vauxhall give it - if they could have seen 5 years into the future and seen the VTS / GTi i think they may have rethought plans.
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Adam-D
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cant wait till mine is built..
vts will be sorry
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broster
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee
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Originally posted by Teddy
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Originally posted by TNM
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Originally posted by Colin
Doesnt matter what you do really GSi Vs GTi/VTS the latter is always going to be the quicker.......compairing a car modded or stripped against one thats not is just stupid & unfair!! My scooby could beat a mcLaren F1 if I stripped it & fitted a jato on the back
colin i have been trying to get this point over every time some one posts a silly thread like this
Well if its that - you dont need to post really do you?
The point was that with the weight EVEN there is not alot in it.
Thats the point THAT most have seemed to grasp./
i 100% agree with teddy.
the point of the thread is that IF both cars were same weight, there is not much in it
dont agree with teddy.......... he says your mum smells
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Siberia
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Originally posted by PaulW
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Originally posted by Siberia
AHHHHHHH....... why the fook am i not going to PVS... 
Come over on the boat on the Saturday & follow me down from Liverpool 
promised the misuss we could go to cyprus in july......
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casper_ac
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if ud sell me ur interior ur car would be heavier as ur wallet would be!
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Colin
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee
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Originally posted by Teddy
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Originally posted by TNM
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Originally posted by Colin
Doesnt matter what you do really GSi Vs GTi/VTS the latter is always going to be the quicker.......compairing a car modded or stripped against one thats not is just stupid & unfair!! My scooby could beat a mcLaren F1 if I stripped it & fitted a jato on the back
colin i have been trying to get this point over every time some one posts a silly thread like this
Well if its that - you dont need to post really do you?
The point was that with the weight EVEN there is not alot in it.
Thats the point THAT most have seemed to grasp./
i 100% agree with teddy.
the point of the thread is that IF both cars were same weight, there is not much in it
Yes im just saying theres more to it than that tho!!! You can mod strip your GSi to keep up with the VTS, but IF they done the same then you'd be behind once again wouldnt you.......just admit it there faster!!
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PaulW
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Originally posted by Siberia
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Originally posted by PaulW
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Originally posted by Siberia
AHHHHHHH....... why the fook am i not going to PVS...
Come over on the boat on the Saturday & follow me down from Liverpool
promised the misuss we could go to cyprus in july......
Women 
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Teddy
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quote:
Originally posted by Colin
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Originally posted by Richard Lee
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Originally posted by Teddy
quote:
Originally posted by TNM
quote:
Originally posted by Colin
Doesnt matter what you do really GSi Vs GTi/VTS the latter is always going to be the quicker.......compairing a car modded or stripped against one thats not is just stupid & unfair!! My scooby could beat a mcLaren F1 if I stripped it & fitted a jato on the back
colin i have been trying to get this point over every time some one posts a silly thread like this
Well if its that - you dont need to post really do you?
The point was that with the weight EVEN there is not alot in it.
Thats the point THAT most have seemed to grasp./
i 100% agree with teddy.
the point of the thread is that IF both cars were same weight, there is not much in it
Yes im just saying theres more to it than that tho!!! You can mod strip your GSi to keep up with the VTS, but IF they done the same then you'd be behind once again wouldnt you.......just admit it there faster!!
Dont doubt it for a second - but i refer you to my previous point.
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Ojc
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What Teddy is saying is that the Corsa GSi as standard weighs more than the VTS/GTi.
When the GSi has been on a diet and the weight is the same between the two there is nothing in it speed wise.
Now considering that the GSi is 11bhp down on the VTS/GTi and needs 3rd gear change to reach 60mph this is quite a achivement.
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stuartmitchell
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the phase 2 106 gti weighs 980kg, I got 148bhp last time on the rollers and since then ive added a full piper sytem so hopefully (fingers crossed) I will break 150 bhp!!!
Was this gti you raced standard? I suspect he doesn't know how to drive, not doubting the gsi is a quick motor but there is a big difference in power figures between the 2
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Joff
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Remember the Corsa GSi is way faster than the underpowered (3 bhp difference) 1.6 Sport.
Stripping your interior must take you into VAG 1.8T territory.
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PaulW
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Originally posted by Joff
Remember the Corsa GSi is way faster than the underpowered (3 bhp difference) 1.6 Sport.
Stripping your interior must take you into VAG 1.8T territory.
I have the same engine as the sport
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Ojc
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quote:
Originally posted by Joff
Remember the Corsa GSi is way faster than the underpowered (3 bhp difference) 1.6 Sport.
Stripping your interior must take you into VAG 1.8T territory.
Shut up gay lord
1.8T Golfs are not that fast.
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Joff
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quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
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Originally posted by Joff
Remember the Corsa GSi is way faster than the underpowered (3 bhp difference) 1.6 Sport.
Stripping your interior must take you into VAG 1.8T territory.
Shut up gay lord
1.8T Golfs are not that fast.
Oh dear, he we go again x
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sassyminx
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Teddy i raced my mate in his vts and left him from start to 100 and we both had to slow down ..... so i agree it depends on the driver and road of course
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sassyminx
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quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
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Originally posted by Joff
Remember the Corsa GSi is way faster than the underpowered (3 bhp difference) 1.6 Sport.
Stripping your interior must take you into VAG 1.8T territory.
Shut up gay lord
1.8T Golfs are not that fast.
theyre a damn sight faster than a Corsa sport or a Gsi
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Paul_J
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Thing with this, your comparing a standard 106 Gti / VTS to a tuned (even exhaust and filter is tuning) corsa 1.6.
Sly_Sri has a 1.6 16v, stripped out running dbilas inlet manifold and sebring full system - probably running similar power to my 106 Gti - he's a good driver too, quick gear changes.
I just edged away from him in my 106 gti (with full leather interior so heavy). Since then though I've got a decat exhaust system and induction kit. So will probably leave him behind.
Typical examples.
106 Gti / VTS does roughly 16.4's standard - I managed a 16.1 (this is standard exhaust / everything!!!)
My mate with the same decat exhaust system and induction that I now have on his 106 Gti was getting 15.2-15.5's.
One problem is a lot of people don't compare standard for standard. A car with a exhaust system / filter is not standard. A car stripped is not standard.
Teddy - I don't know what your car is like, but I'll happily race you at PVS down the strip (If I still have a license). I have no idea what I'll get, anywhere in the 15's I'll be happy with - but I'm not too sure, my car doesn't feel that quick compared to my mates 106 Gti.
Another fact is - Driver skill. Someone may have a quicker car and be a shit driver, someone may have a slower car and be a good driver - I used to give people a good run for their money in my 1.2 16v.
But bottom line is, a standard (unstripped / un modified) Corsa Gsi is not beating a standard 106 gti / VTS in a straight line.
Paul J
[Edited on 16-05-2005 by Paul_J]
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PaulW
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Paul_J
The 1/4 Time for GTI/VTS in Standard form that you said - I was running 16.4s in my GSi with full interior & only mod was an Induction Kit...
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Skinz
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Steve say...
pmfsl at this, i have owned both GSi and 106 GTI and the GTI is a LOT faster, im telling you now, it would rape a stripped GSI the the cars are in a different league's. The gearing on the GTi, coupled with the 6800rpm+ peak BHP, weight advantage (although even with the stripped corsa weighing the same would still win)
muppets on here, glad im banned tbh
GSI IS VTR TERRITORY END OF
[Edited on 16-05-2005 by Skinz]
[Edited on 16-05-2005 by Skinz]
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stuartmitchell
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
Teddy - I don't know what your car is like, but I'll happily race you at PVS down the strip (If I still have a license). I have no idea what I'll get, anywhere in the 15's I'll be happy with - but I'm not too sure, my car doesn't feel that quick compared to my mates 106 Gti.
[Edited on 16-05-2005 by Paul_J]
mate do you have the two prongs that come out the front of the block? If you do that means the block came with 130bhp standard, if it doesn't you get 120 bhp standard. This may explain the difference between you and your mates car!!!
Im yet to race a gsi on the strip but tbh unless its had some serious work done, or an XE dropped in  I would be pretty confident about beating it off the line and all the way up the 1/4 mile
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Teddy
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Originally posted by PaulW
Paul_J
The 1/4 Time for GTI/VTS in Standard form that you said - I was running 16.4s in my GSi with full interior & only mod was an Induction Kit...
Yep i got quick enough to a 16.4 up the strip and that was stipped - totally standard C16XE.
I was getting quicker and quicker and think i could have got it down more if i wasnt running out of fuel and cooked my brakes at the end
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