Fad
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Originally posted by corsaflip
wel cum to where i live i would love to prove this 2 you  as none of u belive me. as the lad who had it done has had it all set up as all the stuff we got with the car tells us.
Seriously post this up on a Ford forum and they will laugh at you as well...which tell you something dont it? Join the real world
19psi boost on std intercooler  indeed
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mark_gsi
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u dont dont belive me so what can i do except prove it in real life. you dont even no this car or whats been done to it so why go on thinkin your mr no it all?
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SVM 286
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Originally posted by corsaflip
y the fuk would i wanna take the dump valve of ave never heard so much bollocks in me life. i aint takin shit of this car its get to 140 quick enough for me.
Because the non Fiesta variant of the CVH turbo engine utilises a constant pressure fuel injection system rather than electronic injectors.
The system is equipped with a metering unit that contains a metal flap that varies fuel delivery according to air demand.
The flap is extremely sensitive to positive and negative air values, and the use of a dump valve can bring about drastic and violent fluctuations in the air flow over the flap thus upsetting the balance in the metering unit and causing extremes of rich and lean running sporadically.
The net result alternating between bore washing and a tendancy to pre-ignite.
Not good at all.
Dump valves do actually serve a purpose and are invaluable in high boost pressure applications and are not a problem at all on EFi systems, but they are pointless and a waste of time and money if fitted to a car that is using standard boost or a negligable increase over the factory setting.
As an example, my car still utilises the KE Jetronic system, albeit with adaptions, and some degree of re-plumbing was required in order to install the dump valve which unfortunately became a necessary evil due to the boost pressure increase to 23psi.
Incidentally, O.E. intercoolers on these cars are incapable of tolerating much more than standard boost as they are very weak in construction and tend to baloon at first and then fail.
Hope that clarified my earlier comment. 
Oh, and btw, if I remember correctly, the standard car runs 7 psi, produces 132 bhp and is good for 128 mph.
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mark_gsi
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but this car aint standard and runs 11psi or with the swich changes to 19psi its not standard as all of you seem to think. i need to prove this to you. its got over 150 bhp on it now.
[Edited on 01-02-2006 by corsaflip]
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WATSON
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over 150bhp  Mine run jusr over 200bhp and still the gearbox would hold you back 
As i have ask'd be4 what has been done? what turbo u running?
And you would be lucky to run at 19psi for long with that std intercooler
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mark_gsi
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it will run alday at 19psi as it does when i am out init the bloke who done it set it up to do so because i sed to me dad thats a bit high boost and he said its been set up so it can handle it. i will look for the stuff when i get in from work just to keep you happy
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Fad
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You clearly know jack all about your car...i'm no Mr Know it all but I clearly know more than you
I wont say I know all the ins and outs of RSt's but seeing as we've had them in the family and since I've been looking for one I've learnt a fair bit.
Around 150 Bhp is nothing close enough to get you to 140 and seeing as Watson who has 200 bhp said the standard g/box will hold you back if not self destruct itself.
Surely you must realise that the people in this thread are talking sense? Or you still got your head in the clouds? Seriusly post this up on a Ford forum and see what they come back with?
[Edited on 01-02-2006 by Fad]
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Corsa_Carl
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mark aint lying, im not sure how much bhp the car really has but we had 140mph no problem and could have gone alot faster
the guy he bought it off is on the rs owners club . . . talk to him about it as he will know alot more
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Fad
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Look half the people in this thread with "knowledge" are Ford fans we are not slating his car as we like it. But the actual fact you can even think it does 140 mph
Seriously RST speedos are more use as barometers than speedos
If you've been in a car at 140 mph its scary as fuck let alone in a 20 years old Escort and with more to go? I think not....
[Edited on 01-02-2006 by Fad]
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Originally posted by Corsa_Carl
mark aint lying, im not sure how much bhp the car really has but we had 140mph no problem and could have gone alot faster
the guy he bought it off is on the rs owners club . . . talk to him about it as he will know alot more
c thank you my prove as he was in the car at the time. and i bet you it aint out by much as the wheels are standard. well if u dont belive theres nowt i can do to prove this but to show you in real life please come to peterlee i will be more than happy to prove it. and yea it was kinda scary doin 140 init. my xr2i will do 120+ and that aint even a turbo and its got about 120bhp.. ask the bloke who had it before us he is in the rs owners club i sure he will back me up on this.
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Cybermonkey
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but who are all these poeple from the RS owners club?
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Fad
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So beacuase Carl says it does 140 it must mean it does 140mph? Does he have a speedo built into his ass or something? Fact is speedos are around 10 % out at 100 mph and up to 20% at over 120 mph. My Corsa speedo goes off the clocks but its no way doing that speed
Seriously grow up
This is almost as rediculous as Timruds post of 174mph in a corsa
Post this up on the RSOC site and PF and show us what they say?
[Edited on 01-02-2006 by Fad]
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mark_gsi
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ere m8 u post it up u ask them n also put the plate of the car in n ask whos it was see what he has to say.
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Corsa_Carl
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Originally posted by Fad
So beacuase Carl says it does 140 it must mean it does 140mph? Does he have a speedo built into his ass or something? Fact is speedos are around 10 % out at 100 mph and up to 20% at over 120 mph. My Corsa speedo goes off the clocks but its no way doing that speed
Seriously grow up
This is almost as rediculous as Timruds post of 174mph in a corsa
Post this up on the RSOC site and PF and show us what they say?
[Edited on 01-02-2006 by Fad]
ive been bullied about that for years 
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WATSON
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I know for a FACT that you wouldnt have 140mph out your RS as the gearbox wont let you  Limit on them are something like 120/125 i think it is..
And yeah if you could fined out what turbo you have ect that would be good 
And 19psi and std intercooler i can here a BANG cumming soon
And for the rst clocks they are NOT 100% right!
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Originally posted by Corsa_Carl
mark aint lying, im not sure how much bhp the car really has but we had 140mph no problem and could have gone alot faster
the guy he bought it off is on the rs owners club . . . talk to him about it as he will know alot more
Factory fit speedos are notoriously inaccurate Carl.
The higher the speed reading, the greater the error percentage.
The only real way to confirm speed is by using calibrated test equipment such as a Datron Correvit rig or similar.
If you are using the cars own speedo as a bench mark then it will be incorrect i'm afraid. Probably by 6 to 8 mph, possibly even more.
The main improvement with cars of this nature with lesser modified engines will be in acceleration.
For instance, in gear sprinting may well be improved, possibly across the board at all rev ranges and in all gears, but the law of diminishing returns and more simple factors such as the increase in wind resistance at anything over 70 mph, will make it very difficult to substantially increase the vehicles top speed without huge power and torque increases.
Not having a dig, just trying to be helpfull and pass on a bit of usefull info.
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quote:
Originally posted by Corsa_Carl
quote:
Originally posted by Fad
So beacuase Carl says it does 140 it must mean it does 140mph? Does he have a speedo built into his ass or something? Fact is speedos are around 10 % out at 100 mph and up to 20% at over 120 mph. My Corsa speedo goes off the clocks but its no way doing that speed
Seriously grow up
This is almost as rediculous as Timruds post of 174mph in a corsa
Post this up on the RSOC site and PF and show us what they say?
[Edited on 01-02-2006 by Fad]
ive been bullied about that for years
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jr
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i love when knowledge overally stupidity
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mine was running on 15 psi with standard intercooler but i would only occasionally take it to that was to scared of blowing it up lol
as said u should only really use 10-11psi on standard intercooler
dump valves dont help an escort mate if anything there make them run rough
if ur running standard engine i doubt it will take 19psi
mine had
stage 1 turbo
unlimited power chip [means u can run on any amount of boost as the chips cut them off]
piper t285 cams
piper pulley
uprated actuator
and loads of other shite running 200+ bhp
what is the spec of yours?
pic of mine just before i sold it
[Edited on 01-02-2006 by p4uls corsa]
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i love when knowledge overally stupidity
i love it when people make up new words 
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jr
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i love it when people have nothing better to do that correct others peoples mistakes
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Cybermonkey
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i love it when ian has to split threads because of deterioration into arguments. lets stop this now and hold hands
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jr
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[quote="Christian and Beccy"]IMO 13psi is the maximum on a standard Intercooler.
148mph is the fastest an RST will go on standard gearing/rev limit. But to make it do it, will need over 200bhp IMO and that cannot be achieved on a standard Intercooler.
as he currently owns the fastest 1.6 and posibly fastest ERST going i think he knows what he's on about
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jr
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and from jake on passionford
Sort of.... the turbos longevity is debatable but if the engine is good then 30psi will be fine.
The prob is the std cooler- thats no good, anything more than about 13psi and it will retard the ignition all the time and go slow.
At 11 psi its pretty much at its limit to run without retarding the ignition which on the RST is down to ACTs. I think its somet like 62'c it retards but dont quote me.
A good set up car with 11psi on std cooler will see 155-165 bhp also this is plenty to pull to 125mph very quickly and will pull off the clock in a short space of time which is an indicated 140 as people know and also it will do this at approx 5700 rpm.
I had 2 years of an RST like this and had it set up more or less everytime I was at Karls LOL.
Hope that helps.
Jake
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WATSON
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That will be the post i put about
User name on there BLACK-RST
Ahwell i though wrong about gearbox Didnt think it was that good
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