Ry_B
Banned
Registered: 1st Dec 05
Location: Solihull, W Mids Drives: 45BHP beast!
User status: Offline
|
What's the weight difference between the Clio sport and the Megane sport?
|
Dean_W
Member
Registered: 13th Dec 05
Location: Downham Market, Norfolk
User status: Offline
|
Maybe the case Rob, but they are in two different classes.
I know a girl who has bought a Megane 225 just for the reason that she has 2 kids and the clio is too small.
I shouldn't think having a quicker Corsa than an Astra would make a difference in sales.
For a start, look at the state of it 
|
Dean_W
Member
Registered: 13th Dec 05
Location: Downham Market, Norfolk
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Ry_B
What's the weight difference between the Clio sport and the Megane sport?
Megane = 1375KG 163BHP per Ton
Clio = 1240KG 158BHP per Ton
|
Robin
Premium Member
Registered: 7th Jan 04
Location: Northants Drives: Clio 182 Cup
User status: Offline
|
well yeah, but the marketing men will be scared at the thought, and quite often lie about power figures etc, just to sell a specific car
|
Cybermonkey
Member
Registered: 22nd Sep 02
Location: Sydney, Australia
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Steve
nor was the clio, nor was the punto, both 1.2 8v engines but at least they had ~60bhp
Steven you can be a right nob jockey sometimes. back in 1993 when the Corsa was released, Vauxhall was being squeezed by Euro compliancy to reduce emissions from vehicles. they carried over a few engines from the Nova range, including the 12NZ. This had originally put out 56bhp and 65lb/ft torque, not bad from an engine that was at least 15 years old in design even in 1993. then once the engine was changed from carburettor to fuel injection, the engine lost all its charecter and eagerness. hence the abysmal performance.
Vauxhall can be accused of treading the performance line far too lightly in the past as you have mentioned. with the Corsa GSi, Astra GSi etc etc. but are you forgetting the Cavalier and Calibra Turbo? they were extraordinary at the time.
Now look at Vauxhall. responsible for creating a Hot version of nearly every model type with a Vauxhall name, and they are pretty bloody good drivers cars. Look at the iniatitive with the VX220 and Monaro. Yes, they are just rebadged 'lotus' and 'Holdens', but it was Vauxhall who got their name on them and sold them.
As far as i am aware, the Astra VXR, Meriva VXR, VX220/VXR220, Zafira VXR are being sold like hotcakes at the moment, and they are getting superb reviews across the board. Please notice that i did not mention the Vectra VXR, although its straight line performance will destroy all but the biggest of supercars, it cant handle worth a shit
Vauxhall have changed, and i only expect them to go on to make bigger and better cars.
|
Cybermonkey
Member
Registered: 22nd Sep 02
Location: Sydney, Australia
User status: Offline
|
TTT
|
gunzi
Member
Registered: 10th Feb 05
Location: Pompey
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Matty G
If they made the Corsa faster than the Astra I dont think it would steal many sales. They are in different classes.
Isn't this problem they had when they brought out the Corsa B. The baby XE engines were kicking the crap out of the Astra GSis with their then limp Ecotecs? And hence were restricted?
|
Steve
Premium Member
Registered: 30th Mar 02
Location: Worcestershire Drives: Defender
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
TTT
i have read your comments there is no excuse for making a 45bhp engine, when renault and fiat could do just fine with 60bhp units
|
Cybermonkey
Member
Registered: 22nd Sep 02
Location: Sydney, Australia
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Steve
quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
TTT
i have read your comments there is no excuse for making a 45bhp engine, when renault and fiat could do just fine with 60bhp units
they didnt make it for the Corsa, it was a nova engine.
|
Cybermonkey
Member
Registered: 22nd Sep 02
Location: Sydney, Australia
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by gunzi
quote:
Originally posted by Matty G
If they made the Corsa faster than the Astra I dont think it would steal many sales. They are in different classes.
Isn't this problem they had when they brought out the Corsa B. The baby XE engines were kicking the crap out of the Astra GSis with their then limp Ecotecs? And hence were restricted?
Astra mk3 GSi had the 150bhp C20XE, not the XEV found in mk4 Astra's. mk3 was the same era as the Corsa B
|
10 Pence Short
Member
Registered: 27th Jun 05
User status: Offline
|
Let's hope Lotus don't make a fool of themselves by putting their name to this one!
|
Steve
Premium Member
Registered: 30th Mar 02
Location: Worcestershire Drives: Defender
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
quote:
Originally posted by Steve
quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
TTT
i have read your comments there is no excuse for making a 45bhp engine, when renault and fiat could do just fine with 60bhp units
they didnt make it for the Corsa, it was a nova engine.
exactly the dumbasses didnt think to give it an overhaul
|
Robin
Premium Member
Registered: 7th Jan 04
Location: Northants Drives: Clio 182 Cup
User status: Offline
|
you are correct steve. instead, they replaced it with a suzuki engine.
|
mwg
Member
Registered: 19th Feb 04
Location: South Lakes
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
Astra mk3 GSi had the 150bhp C20XE, not the XEV found in mk4 Astra's. mk3 was the same era as the Corsa B
he's maybe talking about the ecotec GSi's towards the end of the MK3's life
|
Steve
Premium Member
Registered: 30th Mar 02
Location: Worcestershire Drives: Defender
User status: Offline
|
im gonna open up a can of suzuki on your ass
|
Robin
Premium Member
Registered: 7th Jan 04
Location: Northants Drives: Clio 182 Cup
User status: Offline
|
|
Cybermonkey
Member
Registered: 22nd Sep 02
Location: Sydney, Australia
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Matty G
quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
Astra mk3 GSi had the 150bhp C20XE, not the XEV found in mk4 Astra's. mk3 was the same era as the Corsa B
he's maybe talking about the ecotec GSi's towards the end of the MK3's life
when the Corsa GSi hit the showrooms, the Astra was using the C20XE
|
Robin
Premium Member
Registered: 7th Jan 04
Location: Northants Drives: Clio 182 Cup
User status: Offline
|
and if the legend is true, it would have been quicker.
|
Ry_B
Banned
Registered: 1st Dec 05
Location: Solihull, W Mids Drives: 45BHP beast!
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by robmarriott
you are correct steve. instead, they replaced it with a suzuki engine.
A 3 cylinder one that sounds more like a hair dryer than the 1.2 8v does, suppose that's one good thing about the 1.2 8v
|
jr
Member
Registered: 20th May 02
Location: Kent
User status: Offline
|
lotus were gettign 150bhp from the c16 realible, there was no way in the world vaux were going to produce there hot hatch with only 5bhp less than there "flagship" astra
|
Ry_B
Banned
Registered: 1st Dec 05
Location: Solihull, W Mids Drives: 45BHP beast!
User status: Offline
|
JR any links to prove that? (Not doubting you, just wana see it)
|
Robin
Premium Member
Registered: 7th Jan 04
Location: Northants Drives: Clio 182 Cup
User status: Offline
|
3 cylinder 1.2 Ryan? 
|
Robin
Premium Member
Registered: 7th Jan 04
Location: Northants Drives: Clio 182 Cup
User status: Offline
|
http://www.smallblockxe.com/engine.htm
look there Ryan
|
Steve
Premium Member
Registered: 30th Mar 02
Location: Worcestershire Drives: Defender
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by jr
lotus were gettign 150bhp from the c16 realible, there was no way in the world vaux were going to produce there hot hatch with only 5bhp less than there "flagship" astra
unsure as to why, this isnt a problem with other manufacturers, like it has been said people would still buy the astra even if it was a tad slower due to wanting room etc
|
Robin
Premium Member
Registered: 7th Jan 04
Location: Northants Drives: Clio 182 Cup
User status: Offline
|
that happens now Steve, but it was different in 1993
|
