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Author Well thats 99% of you goosed who wanted to go to the ring
Ian
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3rd Dec 07 at 17:56   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

You can get insurance - just not as part of your standard road policy. It'll also be very expensive relative to SDPC.

The barriers get replaced so you pay for that.

Hardly unfair - that's just how it is. He will have known this before going on there.
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Originally posted by DJMartin07
It's a bit crule there, as my tutor at college has a Nissan 200sx S14, and he went round the Nurburgring and crashed and as you are technically now not insured when you go on it, he had to pay for the damage on his car(luckily he is a Panel Beater and sprayer) and he also had to pay £500 for a new crash barrier.

you are only technically not insured if you dont take out the relevent insurance.

[Edited on 03-12-2007 by Hamish]
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Now who told me your technically not insured. mmm? College kid.
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What? Read what he said.

If you take out insurance to cover you for the Nurburgring, you're ok.

If you go assuming that your normal insurance will cover you, which it probably won't (I know mine doesn't) then you aren't covered.
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it realli is quite fucking simple
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can filler be TUV aproved?
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But if they ban all us brits with this TUV then doesnt it ban other european countries or are we the only ones?

Is the TUV like an MOT test if so just get one done over there
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Its bigger than that, not a test as such but parts you fit must already have approval. You couldn't for example fit lowering springs that were not TUV approved and retrospectively seek approval I don't think.
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I'm sorry but i have to agree with Paul and Daimo, it seems there doing it to stop race car's getting practically free setup's, I can see the point that yes people may get stopped but i think like Daimo said there purely just covering them selves thats all, and making it viable to refuse race cars onto public track days.
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Background

TUV is the testing body responsible for safety testing (for a whole range of products, not just cars & bikes). There are two aspects of interest to us. First, German vehicles must pass a TUV test (like the British MOT, but much tougher). Second, parts sold to be fitted to German cars must themselves be tested and get a TUV certificate.

German cars

For German cars, nothing changes other than better enforcement. It is already the case that you your car's TUV papers must show that all modifications were made with TUV-approved parts and that the safety of the installation has been approved by a TUV inspector.

What will be happening in 2008 is that TUV inspectors and police will be making regular checks. You will be required to produce a TUV certificate which lists all the modifications made to the car. If you have unapproved modifications, you will not be allowed access and the police may prosecute.

If you have unapproved parts on a German car, and do not have the correct papers, you should arrange for a TUV inspector to carry out a Einzelabnahme inspection which (if it passes) will then certify that the parts and fitting are safe. If you have parts with ABE (Allgemeine Betriebs Erlaubnis) or Teile Gutachten papers, then the inspector can do a simplified inspection looking purely at the installation.

Foreign cars

Foreign cars will not have to produce TUV papers. However, the inspectors will have the right to satisfy themselves that the car is safe. You may thus need to be in a position to demonstrate that modifications use quality approved parts.

Your best bet is to carry the paperwork that came with things like rollcages, aftermarket suspension, brakes, etc, to show that they have some kind of approval: TUV, FIA, EC markings, etc. The ideal paperwork to satisfy German authorities is TUV, ABE (Allgemeine Betriebs Erlaubnis) or Teile Gutachten, but the more paperwork you can produce, the better.

If you have a heavily-modified car and want to be completely safe, you can arrange to have a Vollabnahme - this is equivalent to the UK's SVA (Single Vehicle Approval). It is a very tough TUV inspection (it takes about four hours), but the advantage is they can do it on the chassis number, so you can get a Vollabnahme for a foreign car. (This is the first step in German-registering a foreign car.) Only a limited number of TUV inspectors are licenced to carry out Vollabnahme tests.

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Originally posted by Robin
What? Read what he said.

If you take out insurance to cover you for the Nurburgring, you're ok.

If you go assuming that your normal insurance will cover you, which it probably won't (I know mine doesn't) then you aren't covered.


I was surprised that when I was looking for my windscreen cover that my insurance specifically says I am not covered at the nurburgring.
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im more surprised they expected a 5 door diesel hatchback to venture anywhere near nurburgring john
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Wait till I get my 100 quid remap steve
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yes im interested to know what its like in all honesty
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I've decided i'll get it as a xmas present from somebody so i'll just need to wangle the spare car and an early present.
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lol good plan is it a turbo?
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Its a primera gx that has problems starting in the cold.
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quote:
Originally posted by John
Its a primera


that'l be the problem then

[Edited on 04-12-2007 by Steve]
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ok so what would happen if my gf wanted to drive round the ring in her talbot sunbeam, which has been built nearly from second hand parts and there for has no reciepts
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Well im sure its down to commen sense. The Germans have this. The english don't (well most of them don't.....).

If it turns up, looks a state, falling to peices etc, then if they consider it a hazard, they will stop you.

If its a "Rat Look", the only the outside would be tatty, structually it should be sound, so you would be ok.

Again, its about covering their asses, both legally, and humainly. If the cars not safe in their eyes, they will ban you. If it is safe, you will be allowed on.

I really don't understand how people don't get all this????????? Its REALLY simple logic and commen sense....... But then we are in England
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When I was there last I was going out in a 200sx that we took the light out of for better airflow to the filter.

We had to talk to the guy to let us on, he wasnt going to. And that was earlier this year before the new regulations.

Basicly if you turn up in a cheap car like a 106GTI and it looks sound then you wont have a problem. Whereas if you turn up in a E30 M3, Porsche etc that looks modded and has a loud exhaust you may have issues!
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I'd imagine M3's / Porsches probably are ok...

reason he probably didn't want a 200sx out there, was because they're known for being drift cars ... = dangerous.
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My mate had a camera strapped in his car that he got taken off him till after he did lap. Also after about 4laps he got pulled up for having bonnet pins they wanted him to tape them up. This was bk at end of august.
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Also just read this http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/tuv/index.html

And going by what he says, if you carry a file with a whole heap of TUV approved papers you shouldnt have any problems even if approached

[Edited on 04-12-2007 by beattie17]
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seen another similar thread on vauxsport about this......


[quote="sbd16v"]it would seam some of us may never get to drive are cars around the ring,

taken from passionford (where it came from another site)

[quote="Rich_w"]Taken from another site and cross checked on Northloop

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New, special regulations for the Nurburgring Nordschleife for next year during TouristenFahen.

- All German cars, (which must by law TÜV approved) will be allowed, provided that they can produce TÜV certificates/papers for any modifications on the car on demand
- Non German cars which are standard will be allowed(*)
- Non German cars which are modified will be allowed provided they can produce TÜV certificates/papers for all modifications on demand.


The reason for this is to combat the growing number of race cars which have been using TouristenFahren for cheap practice with a set of foreign plates on, and similarly cars with questionable modifications.

What the general thinking of this, is it will be enforced somewhat like the current noise testing etc, i.e. provided your car looks alright and proper, and you're well behaved you will be unlikely to get challenged.

However, in the event of an incident you'd get in a lot of bother, if you couldn't produce papers...

Similarly if your driving or your car attracts attention to itself, you might be checked...


Most parts (e.g. KW suspension, AP brakes) have TÜV approval, so you should be able get papers for them easily if they didn't come with your kit, by writing to the manufacturer if you have lost them.

Bits off race cars might be harder to explain though..

Can see, and understand why they're doing this from a safety point of view....
Similarly, its going to hope the local specialists, who might well get more business, as a result of perhaps non German tuners not understanding TÜV regulations...


If you have specialist components in your car, for which you don't have TÜV certificates, it is possible to get a SuperTÜV done, but its quite costly.


From reading several other threads. Rollcages also seem to be an issue. However, if your car is UK registered and has a GENUINE MOT and doesnt exceed the noise limit you SHOULD be Ok. but the more non-standard your car gets the more likely it is you'll get stopped and potentially have problems. Not sure many people want to get over to Germany to be told. Sorry, go home. The other issue that seems to have been instrumental in the rule change are he amount of people (a lot of Brits fall into this category) of taking sub £1000 ring cars that are maintained than they should be.

Edit.

And just to make it even more random. One guy had a fully TUV approved car albeit very modified (E30M3)



And the guy stuck the noise tester virtually inside the rear box just so he could fail it and send him home.

I suspect there will be many threads next year about certain incidents.


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