deano87
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Doesn't Warren G live in/near kent? He's a Vauxhall mechanic I thought, maybe have a word with him?
 Warren G did mine for me. £120 iirc, new chain, sorts the problem.
But from what you've said, I'm 99.9% sure it will be the timing chain. When it's all warm etc and you turn the engine off, does it continuing rattling, or tapping as you put it? Does the car sound like a diesel?
The guidance for the timing chain is replacement at 100k miles HOWEVER they are known to go before. Also, I think the recall is no longer available, so even if the car hasn't had it done, you won't be able to get it done for free.
It's a relatively simple procedure to replace if you have the right Vauxhall equipment. All that is essentially done, is the old chain connected to the new chain, then fed through until the new chain is round the engine. Split old chain from new chain and rejoin new chain.
Strictly speaking, the actually problem is generally the tensioners not being able to tension the stretched chain enough. You can replace the tensioners, but it makes more sense (because it's cheaper) to replace the chain.
Hope that helps.
EDIT: Warren replaced my timing chain then I drove 100miles home. Not on new oil, not on nothing. Been fine ever since. Was about 18k miles ago as well.
[Edited on 31-07-2008 by deano87]
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Rob E
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If its the chain ten yuo have two options. Vauxhal offer a "repair kit" in which a special tool is used to split the chain and then yuo feed the other round. OR yuo can have al the tensioners and rails replaced which is a case of striping the left hand side of the engine including removing the sump. Ths option is quite a lengthy job though
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Fad
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Warren is the mother fkin Gee 
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Charlotte
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oh right. where does warren g live ?
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Rob E
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excuse the speling, my new wireless keyboard is shit!
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deano87
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Originally posted by Charlotte
oh right. where does warren g live ?
Maidstone, but he did the work at his dads in Isle of Sheppey. u2u him 
I travelled from Bedfordshire and Planty02 even further, because Warren is so cheap compared to Vauxhall!
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Charlotte
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i might u2u him later
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Graham88
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Char I'd go with Warren if you're going to get it done
[Edited on 31-07-2008 by Graham88]
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deano87
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Cheaper than Vauxhall because of their hourly rates.
Cheaper than non-franchised garage because they often don't have the tools to feed the chain through like Vauxhall do, meaning they have to take the engine to bits etc.
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Scotty C
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Surpose I better start worrying about these timing chains now 
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deano87
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Surpose I better start worrying about these timing chains now
Didn't think the 1.3CDTi had one?! 
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Scotty C
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I'm pretty sure they do you know. I'll go find out
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S@M
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my 1.0ltr taps like fek.... lol
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phil_sutton
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Originally posted by S@M
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Originally posted by Charlotte
He said that if it is the timing chain then they have to replace the whole engine
obviously not a mechanic then lol
Clearly neither are you then. Its a fucking horrible job to do as its right in the middle of the engine and you need to strip it right down. And as such will cost around £500 by the average garage. Its more cost effective to swap the engine.
Oh an yes they do fail, quite a lot as well. All it is the pressure release valve gets stuck and as such the chain runs dry an thus there you go fucked chain
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deano87
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Originally posted by phil_sutton
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Originally posted by S@M
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Originally posted by Charlotte
He said that if it is the timing chain then they have to replace the whole engine
obviously not a mechanic then lol
Clearly neither are you then. Its a fucking horrible job to do as its right in the middle of the engine and you need to strip it right down. And as such will cost around £500 by the average garage. Its more cost effective to swap the engine.
Oh an yes they do fail, quite a lot as well. All it is the pressure release valve gets stuck and as such the chain runs dry an thus there you go fucked chain
That isn't how Vauxhall change a chain. I've seen them do it.
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Paul_J
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All 1.0 12 / 1.2 16v vaux engine's sound tappy - it's nothing to worry about.
If you care a lot, a slightly thicker oil may solve the problem, but I wouldn't care and just ignore it to be honest.
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deano87
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Originally posted by Paul_J
All 1.0 12 / 1.2 16v vaux engine's sound tappy - it's nothing to worry about.
If you care a lot, a slightly thicker oil may solve the problem, but I wouldn't care and just ignore it to be honest.
If it is the timing chain, which is noisey because it has stretched, it's pretty much like driving around with a loose-ish cam belt.
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Paul_J
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at 75k on a newish car, I can't see it being the chain personally.
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deano87
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I can. Mine was done at 75k.
There was faults with timing chains on C's which had done less mileage hence being a recall.
Most X10XE;X12XE;Z10XE;Z12XE engines sound tappy, because of the timing chain. If it really sounds like a diesel, it will almost certainly be that.
I am talking from experience btw.
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John
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Originally posted by Paul_J
at 75k on a newish car, I can't see it being the chain personally.
If only vaux spoke to you before doing a recall 
Mine was changed at 20k or something.
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phil_sutton
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Originally posted by deano87
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Originally posted by phil_sutton
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Originally posted by S@M
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Originally posted by Charlotte
He said that if it is the timing chain then they have to replace the whole engine
obviously not a mechanic then lol
Clearly neither are you then. Its a fucking horrible job to do as its right in the middle of the engine and you need to strip it right down. And as such will cost around £500 by the average garage. Its more cost effective to swap the engine.
Oh an yes they do fail, quite a lot as well. All it is the pressure release valve gets stuck and as such the chain runs dry an thus there you go fucked chain
That isn't how Vauxhall change a chain. I've seen them do it.
Have you read the rest of the post?
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deano87
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Originally posted by phil_sutton
Have you read the rest of the post?
Yes. Because Vauxhall have special tools, there is no need to take the engine to bits. However, if a garage doesn't have the special tools, then they'll have to.
Doing it the Vauxhall way, that is as much of the engine that has to be taken apart, i.e. the rocker cover. Hence why the new cam chain kits have chain, connectors and rocker cover gasket.
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phil_sutton
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so how do you replace the tensioners then?
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deano87
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There is no need to, because that isn't essentially the problem.
What happens is:
1) The chain stretches, tensioners tension.
2) The chain stretches some more, and the tensioners can no longer tension. This create a slapping, tapping diesel like noise.
3) There are 2 remedies
a) The chain is replaced. Naturally, this isn't stretched which therefore means the tensioners can tension again.
b) Replace the tensioners, so that the stretched chain is now under tension.
Step a) is much easier, if you have the right tools.
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Paul_J
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deano FTW!
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