Daimo B
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Black Nissan from memory (can't see YT at work).
Bottom of the craners, outside before the right hander, span accross the track and up and over the fence???
I remember that accident well...
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/\ cant get you tube at work - is that Clelland giving Soper the digit?
that he is!
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Nick-S
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Yup. I was about 6 and stole bits of glass and plastic from it.  not sure why. 
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John G
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This thread makes me wanna sex wee everywhere
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nik
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Originally posted by GSi_16v
No but i was at the race at donington park when keith odor crashed and jumped the fence. I was only stood a few meters away. I must have been about 6 at the time. I still have bits of his car in my room somewere
Found it.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lOYOBHL0d3M
[Edited on 17-12-2008 by GSi_16v]
Jesus christ, 1992! Doesn't seem that long ago does it?  I forgot that Kieth Odor died in 1995 
[Edited on 17-12-2008 by nik]
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Robin
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Originally posted by sand-eel
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zSAogXUAwi8
1998 Knockhill, I was actually watching when john cleland crashed
Proper names, Cleland, Gravett, Leslie, Ried, Bintcliffe, Thompson, that's what it needs now, they need to go back to the supertouring rules and actually get teams involved again, Alan Gow has a lot to answer for 
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Robin
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Originally posted by Ojc
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Originally posted by VXR
Its going to be much much worse next year.
1 factory team
2, Ford are running the Focus
"We will be entering the 2009 BTCC as an Independent entry. We will not be receiving any additional support from Ford."
http://www.btccpages.com/news/NewsStory.php?SeriesID=1&ArticleID=1201
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Daimo B
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Just watched it. Exactly how I remember
Robin, back down to one then. Vauxhall will pull out in 2010 unless another manufacture comes back?????
Can't see the point in 1 factory team racing against a field of privateers. No pride or point.
BTCC will soon die a sorrow death I think
What they need is a new championship Either get the manufactures back to make it a Super Touring cars (won't happen), or get to introducing the most popular for of raod transport at the moment.
2.0 16v Turbo Hot hatches................
Just think, 18"s/19"s, 300-350bhp, BTCC spec chassis.......
I found it funny this year how one of the commentators seemed to think the 08 BTCC cars with air restrictors and arund 270-280bhp are faster than the older, lighter, more powerfull Super BTCC....
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Robin
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The same happened to the DTM, that totally fell apart when the rules changed and the series actually stopped for a few years, then it was rejuvinated with a different name (but the same initials, so you knew what you were getting) and people have come back in in their droves.
Regarding your last point, Andy Priaulx drove the E30 M3 BTCC car for the motoring press a while back, and compared it to his WTCC car of today, his car was down 50bhp or so, but still lapped quicker as it handled better, he said though, that if he had to race this year in last year's car, he would have been consistantly on the back of the grid, such is the progression in the sport still.
The series needs a serious shake up, it's not been right since the last rule changes IMO, whenever the Vectra B was resigned to the Vauxhall museum, something along the lines of the difference the DTM now has would do it, they went from road going cars which were basically modified to race (sort of, they looked the same as the one you could buy), to total, balls out, purpose built racers. I suppose that would lose some of the appeal though
That Focus, incidentally, will either use the same engine as the Volvo C30 WTCC (a sleeved down, 2.5 litre 5 cylinder) which sounds amazing, or a 4 cylinder Duratec, like the Fiesta ST, which Ford use in the WRC (albeit with a turbo bolted to it)
I'm not sure it needs factory teams, but looking back, it was better when EVERYONE was in it, Ford, Vauxhall, Peugeot, Renault, Audi, Honda, Nissan, Alfa Romeo, Mazda, Toyota, but I don't think it's going to happen again because of "the current economic climate" but a full grid and close racing would be somewhere on track to bringing it back to what it was, even if they were all privateers.
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Robin
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Or, maybe someone should just build a load of supertouring spec cars for general sale, and have a different series altogether, like the thundersaloons
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bieransri
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purchase a package like this and get it going again
[Edited on 17-12-2008 by bieransri]
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Demo
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Originally posted by Chris Bingham
sexual fucking camber
i remember being at silverstone 1995 when cleland won the championship. magical fucking days 90s touring cars was 
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I so want another vectra ST maybe next year or turn my current SRI into something ....
Spankee
[Edited on 17-12-2008 by Blingvectra]
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Daimo B
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Yup totally agree. Thing is with DTM is, it gets some great drivers and naughty racing, but i'd like to see more different cars involved.
Won't ever get back the Supertouring era with all the manufactures, as you say.
Re the cars, yeah the chassis have come on a long way, much better built and more focussed. Just been watching some vids and the drivers have to work to keep the cars on the track.
Bit like F1 I guess, all out ballsy engines, no toys, to smooth computer aided funkyboxes on wheels. Times change. Old skool rules
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Robin
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Not enough crashing anymore either.
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Joe
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Cosmo could fund it, someone ask him.
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jr
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@ joe
for some reason i allways remeber ouch beeing written under platos laguna bumper after it was ripped of for the 27th time that season
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jr
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also, donnington, 1996, beila and bintcliff halfway down the grid, raining, and overtaking half the field each with 2 wheels on the grass
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Carl
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I used to want to be a touring car driver when I grew up.
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Robin
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Originally posted by jr
also, donnington, 1996, beila and bintcliff halfway down the grid, raining, and overtaking half the field each with 2 wheels on the grass
Muller forgetting his car was now just front wheel drive was good too
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DannyB
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Originally posted by bieransri
purchase a package like this and get it going again
[Edited on 17-12-2008 by bieransri]
Link to that please.
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bieransri
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not recent though
HERE
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Nick-S
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Originally posted by jr
also, donnington, 1996, beila and bintcliff halfway down the grid, raining, and overtaking half the field each with 2 wheels on the grass
1997 mate
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zJVsJ3S3W9A&feature=related
34s in
more good vids
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3cbgcuhwFnk&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YiDlxqx-R9g
6pot Mondeo
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=J-jyVAy5_DY
5pot 850
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oe1Hcqt7698&feature=related
mostly 4pots
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fGcw6d9h23s&feature=related
[Edited on 18-12-2008 by GSi_16v]
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Robin
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I could literally watch this stuff all day.
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