Ian
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Originally posted by Generation
his going to try and reduce time and see how gets on, will update when know more.
I'll tell you now, he'll flood it or flatten the battery.
I've never ever waited for anything, just turn it on and it goes.
Let a diesel glow perhaps but priming a petrol pump? This is a road spec family car not an old Lola on carbs.
Dial sweep isn't even a systems check. I've never seen any reference to dial failure in the technical docs.
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John
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Dial sweep is solely for show, nothing else.
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bubble
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the ICM (instrument column module) on the vxr rotates the needles to calibrate them each time. if you start the car without them completing a full cycle, the ICM send baffling information to the engine ecu, and the front and rear electrical modules. this is why on the cars where panels calibrate each time you have to let them complete a full cycle. this is in the user manual
edit-on the insignia when its new, there is a little piece of paper that hangs off the indicator stalk that re-iterates the importance of letting the needles settle.
bizarre
[Edited on 30-04-2010 by bubble]
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Ben J
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Originally posted by bubble
the ICM (instrument column module) on the vxr rotates the needles to calibrate them each time. if you start the car without them completing a full cycle, the ICM send baffling information to the engine ecu, and the front and rear electrical modules. this is why on the cars where panels calibrate each time you have to let them complete a full cycle. this is in the user manual
BOOM Headshot.
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Ian
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It mentions baffling information in the user manual?
Sounds like marketing crap to me.
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bubble
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Originally posted by Ian
It mentions baffling information in the user manual?
Sounds like marketing crap to me.
it doesnt use the word "baffling".
tbf, maybe saying user manual is incorrect, its like an additional leaflet that gets put in delivery packs when cars are PDI'd
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Ben J
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Originally posted by Ian
It mentions baffling information in the user manual?
Sounds like marketing crap to me.
it doesnt use the word "baffling".
tbf, maybe saying user manual is incorrect, its like an additional leaflet that gets put in delivery packs when cars are PDI'd
Maybe thats where I read/heard it. Knew I wasn't doing it for no reason!!!
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Graham88
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Originally posted by Generation
his going to try and reduce time and see how gets on, will update when know more.
I'll tell you now, he'll flood it or flatten the battery.
What for leaving the ignition on for 10 secs?.....
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mattk
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Originally posted by bubble
the ICM (instrument column module) on the vxr rotates the needles to calibrate them each time. if you start the car without them completing a full cycle, the ICM send baffling information to the engine ecu, and the front and rear electrical modules. this is why on the cars where panels calibrate each time you have to let them complete a full cycle. this is in the user manual
edit-on the insignia when its new, there is a little piece of paper that hangs off the indicator stalk that re-iterates the importance of letting the needles settle.
bizarre
what a shit idea, whats the point in that, that would put me off buying a car if I had to do that every time I wanted to start it
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ed
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That's bollocks. Why would you need to calibrate the needles every time? The instrument cluster is an indicator as well, why would it send information to the ECU? The ECU would be sending the instrument cluster for it to display. In fact, what's an instrument column?
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bubble
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Originally posted by bubble
the ICM (instrument column module) on the vxr rotates the needles to calibrate them each time. if you start the car without them completing a full cycle, the ICM send baffling information to the engine ecu, and the front and rear electrical modules. this is why on the cars where panels calibrate each time you have to let them complete a full cycle. this is in the user manual
edit-on the insignia when its new, there is a little piece of paper that hangs off the indicator stalk that re-iterates the importance of letting the needles settle.
bizarre
what a shit idea, whats the point in that, that would put me off buying a car if I had to do that every time I wanted to start it
i dont know why they implement it. i spoke to my brother who still works as an auto electrician at vauxhall, and he says they have a few people who have brought cars in for poor starting, and its been because of not letting instruments calibrate.
i get your point but it takes 3-4 seconds to do. me personally, i always put ignition on, and wait for warning lights to go out and then start.
maybe the majority of vxr owners get a kick at seeing the needles swipe over all the time?
my cousin has an alpine dvd player in his bimmer, and he ALWAYS waits for the screen pop out and rotate as if you start car straight away it pauses the screen at a silly angle as the ignition supply gets interrupted.
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bubble
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Originally posted by ed
That's bollocks. Why would you need to calibrate the needles every time? The instrument cluster is an indicator as well, why would it send information to the ECU? The ECU would be sending the instrument cluster for it to display. In fact, what's an instrument column?
ICM on vauxhalls is the instrument panel. called instrument control module. same as radios are now ecus. pull ur standard radio out of your fiat, and drive away. youll notice car cuts out and wont restart as the radio is a fundemental part of the cars can line.
and as for calivbration, every ecu on a modern car calibrates each time it gets an ignition supply.
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Daimo B
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TBH, everyone moaning about 3 seconds.... Took longer to read this bit of text.
Key in, turn, put seatbelt on, and already done before im finished belting up.
My bikes (ALL of them) have always done it as well.
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Ben J
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Yep....I get in, press button once, ignition on, put seatbelt on whilst needles sweep, and then hold down button whilst pressing clutch, car fires up. Easy. Talk about some people making mountains out of molehills!!
[Edited on 30-04-2010 by Ben J]
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Graham88
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Agreed....same as Daimo I do it with my bike, let the needle sweep, you can hear the fuel pump priming cause it's between your legs obviously, then start button once it's done, it's not hard
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Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by John
I'd like an explanation from the dealership as to what is coming alive.
Pump etc primes as soon as you unlock the car.
perhaps let lambda warm up
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John
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I got in my diesel after work today and turned it straight on.
Guess what, it started, even though mine really is supposed to be left for a few seconds for the glow plugs.
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Nic Barnes
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you are just so cool john.
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bubble
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Originally posted by John
I got in my diesel after work today and turned it straight on.
Guess what, it started, even though mine really is supposed to be left for a few seconds for the glow plugs.
glow plugs? is it below 5c where you are?
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John
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No.
The glow plug indicator must be coming on for some other function then 
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Nic Barnes
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it comes on at all times you put ignition on john. seeing as you know everything there is to know about anything, you are just trolling.
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John
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Why does the length of time it comes on for vary depending on temperature then Nic?
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Nic Barnes
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why ask something you already know john?
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ed
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Originally posted by John
I got in my diesel after work today and turned it straight on.
Guess what, it started, even though mine really is supposed to be left for a few seconds for the glow plugs.
Depends on the engine though.
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ed
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No.
The glow plug indicator must be coming on for some other function then
Heated diesel filter too right?
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