Gary
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Ones that are shit i bet.
Heads will get stressed obviously as it's their name on the line too but some cunt who teaches maths half arsed because he's lazy will get stressed because he may get found out.
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Rob_Quads
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To be fair some of the salaries are mighty appealing, especially the further up you look, some of the heads here at some of the larger primary schools are on 70k+ thats just primary school!
Yup the primary school my dads a governor for said the new head was around 65K.
I think if you go on strike then you should have to go to a designated strike location. You should not be allowed to do what you like. If you do what you like you are deemed to be not turning up for work like any other day.
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JonnyJ
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Nope, actually pretty good, just care about their job I guess.
If anything surely it's the guy whose half arsed that wouldn't be bothered.
[Edited on 02-10-2013 by JonnyJ]
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Steve
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Other arguments that have pissed me off are
"We effectively child mind 30 kids all day therefore we should be getting the same salary as 30 child minders"
Yeah ok then. Maybe McDonalds workers should get their salary multiplied based on how many customers they serve in a day.
[Edited on 02-10-2013 by Steve]
That is a really poor analogy Steve even by your standards 
Who even says the above? I've not heard one teacher come on the news and demand the salary of 30 child minders.
iv seen it, the usual facebook share jobby
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Ian
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stressful Ofsted inspections
Surely OFSTED inspections are only stressful if your school is a bit shit?
No, they'll still pick on stuff even if you're doing OK. Plus there's a lot of evidence and paperwork which they want to see which in my experience doesn't exist and only gets done when it needs showing to them. I went for years with only partial lesson planning, the rest in my head, just one of the compromises you have to tolerate when time is tight. I knew what I was teaching, and I knew what would have been written down in the plan in respect of learning outcomes, assessment all that blah so its not a poor quality lesson, just that if you were off ill or Ofsted did turn up you'd be snookered. The ironic thing was that they always asked the kids anyway, and if they liked the lessons that would be worth more to an inspector than a folder full of planning.
My position used to be that if you were struggling then it would be better as an entire sector to actually be honest and that way, you wouldn't have this problem where the workload seems to increase and you just have to find a way to sort that out. My seniors didn't share that view as so long as every teacher in every institution is winging, you can't be the first to not do that.
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Jamie Walby
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The teachers I know seem to have it pretty sweet, not sure what their beef is really.
I cant go on strike because I dont agree with my business rates going up every year.
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JonnyJ
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by JonnyJ
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Originally posted by Steve
Other arguments that have pissed me off are
"We effectively child mind 30 kids all day therefore we should be getting the same salary as 30 child minders"
Yeah ok then. Maybe McDonalds workers should get their salary multiplied based on how many customers they serve in a day.
[Edited on 02-10-2013 by Steve]
That is a really poor analogy Steve even by your standards
Who even says the above? I've not heard one teacher come on the news and demand the salary of 30 child minders.
iv seen it, the usual facebook share jobby
Oh right a Facebook share. I think this is your problem mate, you base your entire world view on Facebook posts. Posts made to be as controversial as possible to get shares.
I've just asked a real life person who is a teacher do you think you should get the salary of 30 child minders and she just laughed and said "wtf, of course not, that's ridiculous"
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Steve
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Most teachers i speak to in real life think they have it pretty sweet, one actually said to me they feel lucky to get the 13 weeks holiday a year, mainly seems to be the ex uni lot that cause the most grief.
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djgritt
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Most teachers i speak to in real life think they have it pretty sweet, one actually said to me they feel lucky to get the 13 weeks holiday a year, mainly seems to be the ex uni lot that cause the most grief.
Pretty contradictory post that, seeing as most Teachers are Ex-Uni... 
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Steve
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Fresh out of uni you twat that part was obvious
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Baskey
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Don't see the issue, it's only one day. fair play to teachers for sticking up for what they believe in
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Ben J
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OFSTED is sressfull whether you are at a shit hot school or a shit one.
My missus's school is an outstanding one and has been for the last 15 years. If you think therefore it isn't stressful then come and live with my wife during it. Sleepless nights, not eating etc etc.
I work for a training provider and we get OFSTED inpspections too so i've been through it myself. Not pleasant.
When you are a teacher at the starting level you can probably coast through and have an easy life if you don't want to progress.
Once you start moving up the levels and have increased responsibility then shit gets real.
My missus is Deputy Head, and Year 6 teacher, which means SATS exams. Therefore more stress, sleepless nights etc etc.
You get nice package as a teacher but definatley earn it if you want to progress.
I'd love to do it, but i'd last about 1 week before losing my rag and chucking a kid out of a window.
[Edited on 02-10-2013 by Ben J]
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neil h
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Don't see the issue, it's only one day. fair play to teachers for sticking up for what they believe in
But. But. But. They should be greatful they've got jobs and if they don't like it they should just work elsewhere.
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Ian
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Its only stressful if you let it be. I was in charge of stuff and never lost sleep.
If its not right when they come, they see reality. If they don't like that, that's up to them.
Also if you can't get it right for a week with a month's notice, what hope have you got.
Too many people been covering up too much for too long. Surprised Ofsted don't see through it, the cynic in me says they don't actually want that many failures either because it'll mean change for the sector and that means work.
No wonder Gove has no clue, he probably very rarely hears any truth.
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Dr Pepper
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Don't see the issue, it's only one day. fair play to teachers for sticking up for what they believe in
But. But. But. They should be greatful they've got jobs and if they don't like it they should just work elsewhere.
Why should they be grateful they have jobs? Most have trained to do exactly this job .... would be pretty bad if you went through uni and teacher training and then didnt have a job? Thats the idea of working hard and getting qualifications - you are guaranteed a profession.
If they all went and worked somewhere else (ie, the private sector, for more money) you wouldnt have any teachers, or you would have lower quality teachers.
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Steve
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Thats the idea of working hard and getting qualifications - you are guaranteed a profession.
I have to wonder what world you live in
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Ian
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would be pretty bad if you went through uni and teacher training and then didnt have a job?
Which is what happens to a lot of them, there might be jobs in the sector due to the number of people leaving it but its not correct to say you're guaranteed to walk in to a local, permanent one.
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Dr Pepper
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Thats the idea of working hard and getting qualifications - you are guaranteed a profession.
I have to wonder what world you live in
One where vocationally qualified people get jobs
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Dr Pepper
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would be pretty bad if you went through uni and teacher training and then didnt have a job?
Which is what happens to a lot of them, there might be jobs in the sector due to the number of people leaving it but its not correct to say you're guaranteed to walk in to a local, permanent one.
define 'a lot of them' ....I think what you mean is ..."very few of them"
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John
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Loads of qualified teachers don't get jobs. Lucky to get supply.
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Ian
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I've no data but I did have trainee teachers going for NQT in the compulsory sector and the ones I stayed in touch with certainly didn't walk straight in.
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JonnyJ
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Stats:
And for new teachers, the picture is even bleaker. In England, 21 per cent of those who completed training in 2011 still hadn’t found a job by January 2012. In Scotland, 12 per cent failed to find work.
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Ian
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http://www.theguardian.com/education/2011/sep/26/no-jobs-for-new-teachers
http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6059576
Struggling to find good news tbh.
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Ian
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Best news I can find is that in 2011, the limit of 16 month's supply was lifted, presumably so they could carry on working short term positions in a multitude of schools after they failed to secure full time work in any one of them.
http://community.tes.co.uk/tes_supply_teaching/f/62/t/521016.aspx
[Edited on 02-10-2013 by Ian]
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Ian
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Why? The extension aims to help out new teachers who struggle to find permanent contracts (all those very few of them) in the current economic climate.
[Edited on 02-10-2013 by Ian]
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