Sooty
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey24
well then what the fuck! of course they can beat you! same BHP but much lighter! 
erm yes... but you have 6hp more and say you can leave them for dust? 
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sxi boy
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ok same bhp but much lighter - you only have about 6 more bhp and are heavier than i 1.4 engined sport
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Cybermonkey
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But much more torque, better mid range performance and better revving engine. It all adds up.
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Cybermonkey
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You just think that the X16XE would be pumping 150bhp if it wasnt so restricted. Its like an angry animal trying to get out.
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sxi boy
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you will NOT leave vtr's for dust at all
as i said before, you've probably been racing 1.4 8v westies
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sxi boy
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey24
You just think that the X16XE would be pumping 150bhp if it wasnt so restricted. Its like an angry animal trying to get out.
i think u'll find thats the non-ecotec c16xe with bigger inlet etc
x16xe is a completely different engine
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Sooty
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey24
You just think that the X16XE would be pumping 150bhp if it wasnt so restricted. Its like an angry animal trying to get out.
try being in a 106gti with the engine ticking over whilst moving on the clutch only 
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Cybermonkey
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ha ha dont comment to me about the two engines. I know them inside out mechanically. Yes the C16XE is the better engine but it also has its pitfulls. Both peak power and torque figures are reached at about 500rpm lower than the X16XE. It responds easier to mods though. And both the engines suffer from extremely complicated inlet manifolds and plenums. The C16XE would be good for 150bhp and the same goes for the X16XE. They really arent that much different apart from the slight design difference in the inlet system and higher compression ratio.
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sxi boy
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i wouldnt necessarily call it an angry animal trying to get out
the saxo/106 1.6 16v engine is much more tuneable, 120bph standard, 140bhp is easily gained with a fell s/s system with decat and induction kit
i know which id rather have
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Cybermonkey
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can you get over 200bhp from TB's from a Saxo engine? NOOOOO!
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Sooty
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Ecosse ram airbox filter
Gas flowed and ported head
Kent PT50 cams
Chip tuned
Supersprint 4-2-1 manifold
Twin-exit stainless exhaust system
Groupe N clutch
Lightened and balanced flywheel
Quickshift
This on a GTI/VTS will see 150hp
[Edited on 17-08-2003 by Sooty]
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sxi boy
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it takes a little more than TB's to get that engine over 200bhp
andy hamiltons is more of a race spec engine
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sxi boy
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quote:
Originally posted by Sooty
Ecosse ram airbox filter
Gas flowed and ported head
Kent PT50 cams
Chip tuned
Supersprint 4-2-1 manifold
Twin-exit stainless exhaust system
Groupe N clutch
Lightened and balanced flywheel
Quickshift
This on a GTI/VTS will see 150hp
[Edited on 17-08-2003 by Sooty]
should see slightly over 150bhp i reckon,
dean - wot was hillys vts running before he got it turbo'd?
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Cybermonkey
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yes it is a race spec engine, as is lucky b's. but it can safely reach this power without blowing itself up. Sooty, those parts, similarly coupled to a 16XE and a better inlet manifold will easily see 150bhp too, probably even more with decent MBE engine management.
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sxi boy
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150bhp in a corsa willl be slower on the road that 150bhp in a saxo
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Sooty
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quote:
Originally posted by sxi boy
quote:
Originally posted by Sooty
Ecosse ram airbox filter
Gas flowed and ported head
Kent PT50 cams
Chip tuned
Supersprint 4-2-1 manifold
Twin-exit stainless exhaust system
Groupe N clutch
Lightened and balanced flywheel
Quickshift
This on a GTI/VTS will see 150hp
[Edited on 17-08-2003 by Sooty]
should see slightly over 150bhp i reckon,
dean - wot was hillys vts running before he got it turbo'd?
I was going to say 160hp... but I was worried incase people laughed 
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Cybermonkey
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150bhp in a corsa willl be slower on the road that 150bhp in a saxo
Nah it would be pretty even once the corsa has lost a couple of hundred pounds.
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Sooty
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Ecosse ram airbox filter
Magnex de-cat pipe
Supersprint silencer
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sxi boy
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Originally posted by sxi boy
150bhp in a corsa willl be slower on the road that 150bhp in a saxo
Nah it would be pretty even once the corsa has lost a couple of hundred pounds.
the corsa would need to be stripped AK stylee to keep up
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sxi boy
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Originally posted by Sooty
Ecosse ram airbox filter
Magnex de-cat pipe
Supersprint silencer
whose is that?
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Cybermonkey
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150bhp in a corsa willl be slower on the road that 150bhp in a saxo
Nah it would be pretty even once the corsa has lost a couple of hundred pounds.
the corsa would need to be stripped AK stylee to keep up
a nice custom dash would be nice
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sxi boy
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who needs a dash??
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Sooty
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Ecosse ram airbox filter
Magnex de-cat pipe
Supersprint silencer
whose is that?
someone's from pug performance... I think it was one of the 130hp factory ones... Im convinced now there was variances in the power output on 1997-1999 VTS/GTI's .. and I hope im lucky to get a nice 130hp one by chance
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Cybermonkey
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by that i mean a piece of carbon fibre to mount some dials on
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sxi boy
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Originally posted by sxi boy
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Originally posted by Sooty
Ecosse ram airbox filter
Magnex de-cat pipe
Supersprint silencer
whose is that?
someone's from pug performance... I think it was one of the 130hp factory ones... Im convinced now there was variances in the power output on 1997-1999 VTS/GTI's .. and I hope im lucky to get a nice 130hp one by chance
ask dean (sxiboy1) cos he knows a bit about saxo engines and power etc, dont think the pug came with 130bhp as the increase had something to do with citroen fiddling with the exhaust etc
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