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antscorsa

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15th Jun 05 at 11:52

lol. the k20a is a very good engine and very restricted on standard form, the jdm version is alot better.

stubbsy05

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15th Jun 05 at 11:54

I agree that a C20XE is reliable when looked after. We used to have a GTE and that was fine.

Al3X

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15th Jun 05 at 11:57

All i can say is... Drive one, i think it sounds awesome when you enter VTEC, and i think it'll sound even better with an exhaust/induction.

You have to ask, who else was getting 100bhp per litre in 1988? The answer was no-one. Honda did it buy using the best materials, best techniques. Try taking a Corsa/Astra/Nova/Pug etc to 8k, then wonder why it has just imploded

Al3X

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15th Jun 05 at 12:00

Oh and i dont just mean 8k every once in a while. Mine regularly goes to 7k+ everytime i drive it, not many standard cars about that can do that, and mines 8 years old

stubbsy05

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15th Jun 05 at 12:01

[Edited on 15-06-2005 by Alex.S]

Ditch

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15th Jun 05 at 12:02

no he means 100... I hope

Cybermonkey

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15th Jun 05 at 12:03

quote:
Originally posted by Al3X
All i can say is... Drive one, i think it sounds awesome when you enter VTEC, and i think it'll sound even better with an exhaust/induction.

You have to ask, who else was getting 100bhp per litre in 1988? The answer was no-one. Honda did it buy using the best materials, best techniques. Try taking a Corsa/Astra/Nova/Pug etc to 8k, then wonder why it has just imploded

thats such crap, you can take an X16XE to 8k no problem with only stronger rod bolts and a higher rev limit, hell, you can take these engines to 10,000RPM and good for 200+bhp if you want to...

Ditch

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15th Jun 05 at 12:04

quote:
Originally posted by Al3X
All i can say is... Drive one, i think it sounds awesome when you enter VTEC, and i think it'll sound even better with an exhaust/induction.

You have to ask, who else was getting 100bhp per litre in 1988? The answer was no-one. Honda did it buy using the best materials, best techniques. Try taking a Corsa/Astra/Nova/Pug etc to 8k, then wonder why it has just imploded

Been inside one on V-Tec cam, been outside one when its on V-Tec

tuned and standard... and they just sound like they are sqeeeeelin!

granted the revs move pretty quick sharp, but is this enough replacement for how flat it is off V-Tec? (genuine question, just wondered!)

antscorsa

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15th Jun 05 at 12:14

quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey24

quote:
Originally posted by Al3X
All i can say is... Drive one, i think it sounds awesome when you enter VTEC, and i think it'll sound even better with an exhaust/induction.

You have to ask, who else was getting 100bhp per litre in 1988? The answer was no-one. Honda did it buy using the best materials, best techniques. Try taking a Corsa/Astra/Nova/Pug etc to 8k, then wonder why it has just imploded

thats such crap, you can take an X16XE to 8k no problem with only stronger rod bolts and a higher rev limit, hell, you can take these engines to 10,000RPM and good for 200+bhp if you want to...

maybe so but ur haivng to mod the engine and chainging it from standard spec unlike the vtec

[Edited on 15-06-2005 by antscorsa]

Cybermonkey

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15th Jun 05 at 12:18

but dont you think the VTEC engine comes from the factory with stronger rod bolts and the like over standard Honda engines? All im saying is, you were quite addament that Hondas were the only cars in existence to have some daft rev limiter, and that anything else would simply blow up, which is kind of not true at all

antscorsa

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15th Jun 05 at 12:23

if it comes from the facotry with stronger rod bolts then its standard. dont remeber saying that honda were the only people to have high rev engines. just a proven fact that the honda has never had a claim against a vtec engine.

Cybermonkey

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15th Jun 05 at 12:25

sorry, i thought you said that, but it was al3x

Al3X

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15th Jun 05 at 12:26

quote:
granted the revs move pretty quick sharp, but is this enough replacement for how flat it is off V-Tec? (genuine question, just wondered!)

Yes i would agree with you it does take a bit to get going. Before 3.5kish it is a bit flat, but it moves up the rev range so quickly its not so much of an issue.

Also, about the X16XE going to 8k. Ok well ill fit strong rod bolts to mine and a chip and take it to 9.5k. Im sorry, i do still love corsa's, ive still got one! But your not seriously telling me that a X16 can take as much punishment as a B16A? I dont know loads about engines, but the way i see it is they are pretty similar. Both 16v, both 1600cc, both dual cam. The difference is the B16 is 157Bhp and the X16 is 106Bhp, quite a difference.

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15th Jun 05 at 12:28

quote:
Originally posted by Al3X

quote:
granted the revs move pretty quick sharp, but is this enough replacement for how flat it is off V-Tec? (genuine question, just wondered!)

Yes i would agree with you it does take a bit to get going. Before 3.5kish it is a bit flat, but it moves up the rev range so quickly its not so much of an issue.

Also, about the X16XE going to 8k. Ok well ill fit strong rod bolts to mine and a chip and take it to 9.5k. Im sorry, i do still love corsa's, ive still got one! But your not seriously telling me that a X16 can take as much punishment as a B16A? I dont know loads about engines, but the way i see it is they are pretty similar. Both 16v, both 1600cc, both dual cam. The difference is the B16 is 157Bhp and the X16 is 106Bhp, quite a difference.

Did you know that the C16XE actually made 155bhp during its development, but was de-tuned to stop it stealing the lime-light from the Astra GSi etc. And that was with the standard 6750rpm rev limit.

Al3X

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15th Jun 05 at 12:28

And i didnt mean they were the only ones to have high reving engines. But like i said try taking a Astra/Corsa/Nova/106/Saxo to 8k as standard, on a daily basis. It wouldnt last long, surely?

antscorsa

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15th Jun 05 at 12:30

quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey24

quote:
Originally posted by Al3X

quote:
granted the revs move pretty quick sharp, but is this enough replacement for how flat it is off V-Tec? (genuine question, just wondered!)

Yes i would agree with you it does take a bit to get going. Before 3.5kish it is a bit flat, but it moves up the rev range so quickly its not so much of an issue.

Also, about the X16XE going to 8k. Ok well ill fit strong rod bolts to mine and a chip and take it to 9.5k. Im sorry, i do still love corsa's, ive still got one! But your not seriously telling me that a X16 can take as much punishment as a B16A? I dont know loads about engines, but the way i see it is they are pretty similar. Both 16v, both 1600cc, both dual cam. The difference is the B16 is 157Bhp and the X16 is 106Bhp, quite a difference.

Did you know that the C16XE actually made 155bhp during its development, but was de-tuned to stop it stealing the lime-light from the Astra GSi etc. And that was with the standard 6750rpm rev limit.

or isit that this kind of power would not b reliable.

Cybermonkey

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15th Jun 05 at 12:30

quote:
Originally posted by Al3X
And i didnt mean they were the only ones to have high reving engines. But like i said try taking a Astra/Corsa/Nova/106/Saxo to 8k as standard, on a daily basis. It wouldnt last long, surely?

that is true, but isnt peak power a lot lower than the rev limit on your engine? I used to take my Corsa to 7k often, and it still started every morning at 6am

Cybermonkey

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15th Jun 05 at 12:32

quote:
Originally posted by antscorsa

quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey24

quote:
Originally posted by Al3X

quote:
granted the revs move pretty quick sharp, but is this enough replacement for how flat it is off V-Tec? (genuine question, just wondered!)

Yes i would agree with you it does take a bit to get going. Before 3.5kish it is a bit flat, but it moves up the rev range so quickly its not so much of an issue.

Also, about the X16XE going to 8k. Ok well ill fit strong rod bolts to mine and a chip and take it to 9.5k. Im sorry, i do still love corsa's, ive still got one! But your not seriously telling me that a X16 can take as much punishment as a B16A? I dont know loads about engines, but the way i see it is they are pretty similar. Both 16v, both 1600cc, both dual cam. The difference is the B16 is 157Bhp and the X16 is 106Bhp, quite a difference.

Did you know that the C16XE actually made 155bhp during its development, but was de-tuned to stop it stealing the lime-light from the Astra GSi etc. And that was with the standard 6750rpm rev limit.

or isit that this kind of power would not b reliable.

not at all, there was someone on here with a cutting from a development article, stating the engine's extremely rev-friendly nature and efficiency

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15th Jun 05 at 12:43

1996 impreza engine.....

revs to 8300rpm - its standard....

Honda chugging off thread....

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G20WEL

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15th Jun 05 at 13:04

my mate has a EK9 with Advan RG's on it very cool

-wylo-

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15th Jun 05 at 14:06

theres a few pics of it in the rolling road thread tufty

Ned

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15th Jun 05 at 14:31

quote:
Originally posted by antscorsa
people who think it sounds like a bee in a tin can have never driven one. vtec sound awesome.
ned do you have a 91 civic with b16a in.

Nope, D16A9

Ditch

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15th Jun 05 at 14:33

stupid feckin coding is all over the place on those lumps

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