Gareth
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Originally posted by Robin
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Originally posted by Gareth John
No but it shows how hard they can be pushed without ending up rolling into a gravel trap.
but a Corsa can lift a rear wheel, the same as any FWD with stiff suspension 
But i wasnt following a corsa on 3 wheels though so i carnt comment.
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Sly_SRi
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Corsa C Z20Let
Black Sleeper Turbo Project
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jammo20
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Originally posted by ed
FWD van or a 4WD turbo rally car? Difficult descision to make there
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Gareth
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Originally posted by Robin
no doubt the offset was incorrect then.
you can't judge a car by the fact it can lift a wheel. that's like comparing suspension kits by looking at different pictures of cars cornering. 
I wasnt i was just stating that i was impressed following the CTR on the track and the fact he was on 3 wheels at one shows he was pushing it to the limit
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Gareth
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Wish i never got involved in this thread its making me look like ive got 1!
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Ian
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
but a Corsa can lift a rear wheel
...while flashing a Cossie out of the way.
http://www.batmotorsport.co.uk/pics/8.jpg
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Ian
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Back on topic.
You need to drive the cars that are in the price bracket and make a decision based on your own experience. There is a lot of crap posted in both directions about CTR. Personally I would like to have one for the afternoon to form a proper opinion on proper roads.
In lieu of any real evidence I'll sit on the fence.
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jr
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Originally posted by Ian
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Originally posted by Robin
but a Corsa can lift a rear wheel
...while flashing a Cossie out of the way.
http://www.batmotorsport.co.uk/pics/8.jpg
the cossie had just blizted past it in a trail of rubber and boost 
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Jules S
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Originally posted by Gareth John
I went onboard with my m8 in his dads radical s3 (£55k) on a track day round donnington. Followed a guy in a type r for a few corners and it was awsome round bends for FWD at one point he had a wheel of the floor! After seeing that i have alot of respect for them. Personally i wouldnt spend my cash on a car unless it was 4x4 or rwd.
[Edited on 01-11-2006 by Gareth John]
All I can say is your mate must be utterly woeful in the driving stakes if you could pass judgement on a CTR from a radical...you should have passed it before the first corner or shortly after the first corner.
Totally and utterly a different class of car...not even worthy of comparison in the same sentence.
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Ian
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Puts you in a good vantage point to watch the CTR on tilt though Jules?
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jr
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i can lift i a wheel in the corsa 
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Jules S
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Originally posted by Ian
Back on topic.
You need to drive the cars that are in the price bracket and make a decision based on your own experience. There is a lot of crap posted in both directions about CTR. Personally I would like to have one for the afternoon to form a proper opinion on proper roads.
In lieu of any real evidence I'll sit on the fence.
I would limit that comment to FWD cars tbh
On the 'road' in a 'single' track environment FWD cars will always be understeer city 
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Robin
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I'm not getting into another argument about handling, but not all FWD cars understeer all over the place.
some RWD cars understeer like buggery too.
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Jules S
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Puts you in a good vantage point to watch the CTR on tilt though Jules?
Not really...I think i would be steering well clear given the lines I could take
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jr
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Originally posted by Robin
I'm not getting into another argument about handling, but not all FWD cars understeer all over the place.
some RWD cars understeer like buggery too.
very true
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Ian
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Its a road car - but so is my mums Astra GSi.
I would like to drive the CTR to compare the two.
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Robbo
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Originally posted by CORSA NUT
I think i really want one
I mean really
Do it  
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Ian
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Originally posted by Jules S
Not really...I think i would be steering well clear given the lines I could take
This isn't about driving the Radical fast - he clearly wasn't - this is about watching a CTR being driven in anger and it looking impressive as an observer.
That for me does hold some weight.
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Steve
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Originally posted by muppetsport
ive had all 4 off the ground when the scrap truck picked it up with chains through each front window
what prize do i win?
a ctr
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Gareth
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well i can assure you my mate has been racing for years and he has top quality driving skills. This was a track day so there were all sorts of cars and its waiting for them to keep right because only overtaking on the left is allowed and we lapped the CTR and everything else so many times i lost count.
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Adam_B
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Originally posted by Matt H
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Originally posted by Steve
i dont think ctr's do too badly on a track
Didn't Adam B have a video of him beating one in his 2.0 Corsa?
That was on a track
You'd be forever changing down a gear trying to keep the revs high so you have some power to accelerate with
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Originally posted by muppetsport
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Originally posted by Gareth John
must have been a poor driver in the CTR.
or possibly a really good driver in the corsa?????????? dont forget that it is also possible to make a corsa handle
bit of both tbh, im not ayrton senna, hes probably never been on track before.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1858276319151553366&q=corsa+ctr
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Jules S
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Originally posted by Ian
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Originally posted by Jules S
Not really...I think i would be steering well clear given the lines I could take
This isn't about driving the Radical fast - he clearly wasn't - this is about watching a CTR being driven in anger and it looking impressive as an observer.
That for me does hold some weight.
Why's that then Ian?
To me driving a radical at the same sort of speeds on track as a CTR is driving like a poof.
Radicals are around 15 secs quicker at least around castle combe (which is a good comparable track)
To me you would need to drive a similar, but different car to make a comparison.
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Gareth
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we were lapping so fast in the radical we kept getting stuck behind the others cars
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Originally posted by joe6886
I do like the ITR's, don't like the S2000's and i'm not sure on the CTR. But look back 2 people have posted pics of ITR's recently and eveyrone got the horn, if it was a CTR everyone would have been out with the 'have fun getting up hills' etc etc.....
Just don't see how they can all be so different, probably just the bandwagon effect.
yup most people who have just slated them have probably never even sat in one, let alone driven one.
ive been a passenger in one and was impressed. quicker than my mates mk4 golf v6 motion and much better handling, was better on the fuel aswell. i will also put money on it being the most reliable modern hot hatch out there aswell.
having said that it wouldnt be my first choice from the hot hatch market, i would rather have something with a nicer interior(leather seats, decent sound system etc) and i would be nice to have the power on tap a few k lower down the rev range aswell
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Ian
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Originally posted by Jules S
To me driving a radical at the same sort of speeds on track as a CTR is driving like a poof.
I'm actually ignoring the fact that the other car is a Radical as it has no bearing whatsoever on what Gareth is saying.
He could have been in a stunt plane, makes no odds. The post was about watching how fast the CTR was round the bends and being impressed that it did well from that vantage point.
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