MarkM
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London is the place to be  But you have to be extremely lucky or very good with what you know to get in around London town.
Police i think was about 16 or 18k starting wage going up 1k a year. Then after 2 years im wanting to specialise into traffic 
I just think a law degree is a waste if you go into the old bill...most of what you learnt wont be put into practice...I did police powers as an option...it was all about PACE and reasonable suspicion...force...blah blah blah...which has nothing to do with any other law degree subject in the slightest...
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Haimsey
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I wont question spot, i dont have the bottle to do that.
I have 3 hour exams. Answering 3 questions.
40 minutes is the average time where someone can concentrate their best (adrenaline pumping, notes still fresh in mind etc)
So, i have decided to read and get my 3 questions and plan each one for 15 minutes. Then spend 45 minutes answering each one using my plan that i drew up.
Therefore making use of the optimum concentration time and hopefully getting a well structured answer  HOPEFULLY 
Marcy Marc 
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MarkM
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I will be in debt by
First Year -
Fees - £3k
Maintenance Loan - £3200
Second Year (current) -
Fees - £3k
Maintenance - £2800
Third Year -
Fees - £3k
Maintenance - £2300 ish
So over £17k in debt 
However, I am doing Accountancy and Finance. Where I lived before uni there was no hope of getting anything in the tertiary sector that paid well at all. By living away I now have a base to move into with my GF so can get out of the sink where I used to live.
While its expensive, I agree completely with some of the views here, that if you take a degree that has some sort of direction to it, such as Accountancy, or Economics etc etc then it is well worth it, whereas people on Media Studies or Art courses are just wasters
Are fee's 3k a year now?? 
They were only £1105 or there abouts when I went...and it wasnt that long ago!
My cousin did Accountancy too...he worked in Bermuda for a couple of years and loved it...hes back in London now...
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Haimsey
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Originally posted by Haimsey
London is the place to be But you have to be extremely lucky or very good with what you know to get in around London town.
Police i think was about 16 or 18k starting wage going up 1k a year. Then after 2 years im wanting to specialise into traffic
I just think a law degree is a waste if you go into the old bill...most of what you learnt wont be put into practice...I did police powers as an option...it was all about PACE and reasonable suspicion...force...blah blah blah...which has nothing to do with any other law degree subject in the slightest...
I guess, but ive always wanted to be a copper its almost a dream, which a solicitor was never a dream, but was an ambition.
I really enjoyed PACE in year 1 and its covered again in the Criminology and justice option.
Sexuality and the law is my most random one tbh. I thought it would bear some relevance to the police but also i guess its criminal law so would work in a solicitor sense too.
Most the options ive chosen made reference to property or criminal.
Marcy Marc
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deano87
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I'm doing Marketing & Media Practices BA (Hons).
But I am not a waster thanks. I am more switched on than A LOT of people at my Uni.
I feel that although I am doing a broad degree, it does give me great option for career paths, as I'm not stuck with 1 aspect.
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dannymccann
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Sweeping statement Deano, if youve got something about you you will know its a generalised comment 
Mark yea fees are minimum £3000 a year now for full time student afaik
Just got some good news today through regarding money
As long as I pass my exams the 1st or 2nd time they will give me £500 bursary, I'm eligible for another £500 bursary due to getting 320 points at A Level and I got £230 bursary at Chrimbo just gone hehe 
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Colin
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Uni's ok if your doing something worthwhile, engineering, or doing the papers to become a doctor or teacher or something. Theres too many silly courses now full of muppets that dont stand a hope in hell getting a job at the end of it.
Ive been through college, have a 4 grand loan, I stuck the loan in a high interest savings account & most likely will just pay it back in one lump sum safe in the knowledge its made me a few hundred quid!
Im currently an apprentice, pays shit now & for the next year, then I go onto what id class as average money for the last 2 years of the apprenticeship. Once im time served i'll be on a decent chunk.
My mate that done 4 years at uni & collected a mass of debt is currently working a similar job i'll be doing, he binned chemical engineering to go into drilling to make more money!
If I had my time around again id do exactly what im doing now....only id do it much sooner. Theres guys working with me now that are going to be earning 4k a month when their 20 years old!
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Dione J
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4k a month when their 20 years old!
Is that for drilling, working offshore Colin?
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Colin
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Yeah the guys that got on the course straight out of school, 16yrs old, they will be time served by 20 & earning shit loads!
Ive pissed about a few years, well not pissed about - explored other avenues!
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ShEp
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I know a few people who have gone to uni who have amounted to nothing
sometimes i feel its a place for people to go who dont wanna grow up
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Haimsey
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Quite the opposite Shep, moving away to uni makes you grow up alot faster than you think
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Paul_J
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This post speaks a lot of sense!
As stated at the start, more people who don't have a set career path / decent degree, should be apprentices / get jobs after college...
Also as people have said, 'TOO MANY' people go to uni these days, schools (well mine did) suggest EVERYONE goes to uni... so naturally people think 'yes, I must have a degree... ' they then do something rediculously doss and spend the next 3 years of their lives, getting drunk, wasting money, and studying v.little. At the end they leave with a worthless peice of paper and as said go get a low paid unrelated job.
People who do these sort of courses argue 'oh well, uni is also about the experience and having a good laugh'
This is true, but you could argue that you could spend 3 years getting pissed up without getting debt for student fees etc (if you so wished).
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I agree Paul.
I've gone to a 'shit' Uni but the course was perfect for what I want to do, and was close to home, so I've commutted. Same debt, better knowledge I feel because I've been able to study.
2 of my mates at Uni (German and Hungarian) both chose University of Bedfordshire (Luton) because of the degree, and its uniqueness.
I can't wait to graduate - because I have the time, I'm milking as much work experience and making as many contacts as I can.
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Carl
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My girlfriend does law, she is currently devo'd as she is on for a 2;2 despite do rediculous amounts of work per day. She goes to Sheffield which is a prestigious law uni, but from what she tells me it is an absolute joke. One of her lectures is a full on chav (not just the word used lightly) who wheelspins his car in and out of the car park, wears tracky bottoms, starts putting his coat on and walking out of the door while still lecturing etc says he is an utter joke, also she has no support from lectures, has to book in for 3 week later appointment etc.
Anyway, i agree with Deano, if your heart is in it, even a mickey mouse degree opens doors, it you get into it, get work experience etc. I did a mickey mouse one, never did any work ended up with a 2;2, anyway after working voluntary in the sector after leaving, i've actually made plenty of contacts and got a job, like the saying goes, sometimes it is who you know.
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yeh carl that's the annoying thing too...
A doss course is far easier to get a good mark in... A harder course requires a lot of effort and even though you're working really hard you still struggle to get a good mark.
then you read that employers wont take anyone with less than a 2:1 and you realise the whole system is a joke.
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Carl
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yeh carl that's the annoying thing too...
A doss course is far easier to get a good mark in... A harder course requires a lot of effort and even though you're working really hard you still struggle to get a good mark.
then you read that employers wont take anyone with less than a 2:1 and you realise the whole system is a joke.
True, my girlfriend hasn't done any criminology modules, her mates have, they have got better marks as they are far easier (so i've been told) It's too late for her now but its tough, like i said to her, there is more work to it than studying intensively, she loses marks for writing skills and stuff like that not the actual knowledge, I feel for her though as she as always wanted to be a soliciter which she tells me is hard enough with a 2.1, near on possible with a 2.2.
Hard to know what to say with stuff like that, especially when you know nothing about the sector.
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MarkM
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yeh carl that's the annoying thing too...
A doss course is far easier to get a good mark in... A harder course requires a lot of effort and even though you're working really hard you still struggle to get a good mark.
then you read that employers wont take anyone with less than a 2:1 and you realise the whole system is a joke.
True, my girlfriend hasn't done any criminology modules, her mates have, they have got better marks as they are far easier (so i've been told) It's too late for her now but its tough, like i said to her, there is more work to it than studying intensively, she loses marks for writing skills and stuff like that not the actual knowledge, I feel for her though as she as always wanted to be a soliciter which she tells me is hard enough with a 2.1, near on possible with a 2.2.
Hard to know what to say with stuff like that, especially when you know nothing about the sector.
You are right...criminal based modules are a lot easier...most of my modules involved Company orientated modules so the opposite to criminal really...they were quite tough...
The trick I learnt is to do one or two easier modules over your degree to rack up a good mark and raise your average score...
Also she will eventually get a job in the sector...just not for the bigger firms...the main problem will be getting a Training Contract...she may have to work in a smaller firm first as a paralegal then go on after a year or two to do her training contract with them...thats what most people do who dont get a 2:1...just takes a little longer...
Saying that though I know people who have 2:1's and still haven't got a TC...
[Edited on 15-04-2008 by MarkM]
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i'm just trying to make sure she doesn't quit and throw it all away at the minute, I think she just needs time to see there are other routes albeit limited, but like you say she knows people with 2;1's who can't get contracts so she sees that as "how the hell will i get one with a 2;2" type thing.
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MarkM
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Its easily do-able...she will just have to go the long way round...but saying that she may get lucky...
She should definately apply to the smaller high street firms with a 2:2
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Steve
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going to uni for anything other then something specialised is a waste of time imo
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Robbo
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Ive said it before and Ill say it again... what kind of country charges folk to further their learnign for the benfit of the nation
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Robbo
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PS my degree cost me less than £100
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Tom
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going to uni for anything other then something specialised is a waste of time imo
It's a doss, I wish I did it
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yeh carl that's the annoying thing too...
A doss course is far easier to get a good mark in... A harder course requires a lot of effort and even though you're working really hard you still struggle to get a good mark.
then you read that employers wont take anyone with less than a 2:1 and you realise the whole system is a joke.
True, my girlfriend hasn't done any criminology modules, her mates have, they have got better marks as they are far easier (so i've been told) It's too late for her now but its tough, like i said to her, there is more work to it than studying intensively, she loses marks for writing skills and stuff like that not the actual knowledge, I feel for her though as she as always wanted to be a soliciter which she tells me is hard enough with a 2.1, near on possible with a 2.2.
Hard to know what to say with stuff like that, especially when you know nothing about the sector.
You are right...criminal based modules are a lot easier...most of my modules involved Company orientated modules so the opposite to criminal really...they were quite tough...
The trick I learnt is to do one or two easier modules over your degree to rack up a good mark and raise your average score...
Also she will eventually get a job in the sector...just not for the bigger firms...the main problem will be getting a Training Contract...she may have to work in a smaller firm first as a paralegal then go on after a year or two to do her training contract with them...thats what most people do who dont get a 2:1...just takes a little longer...
Saying that though I know people who have 2:1's and still haven't got a TC...
[Edited on 15-04-2008 by MarkM]
yeh but i found that kinda defeats the object a bit
I do Computer Science and in the 3rd year, there were some modules I thought 'wow that'd be interesting' but then also thought 'fuck i bets thats gonna be fucking hard too! hmm don't want to fuck up my degree just because i did that'
so as you say, did half and half. None of it is 'easy' - but some are less likely to completely balls me up, although I ironically have found some of the 'harder' ones far far more interesting and enjoyable to do and not as hard as i originally expected.
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Steve
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you're just a student tosser though paul
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