SportBoy
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cant belive your compareing a nova to a m3 
its like compareing an m3 to a veyron
[Edited on 17-05-2007 by SportyBoy]
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Steve
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quote:
Originally posted by gunzi
Take a clean ~780kg Nova SR, strip the interior, new sills and replace any remaining rusted parts, fit a racing seat, a 6 point cage, coilovers and strengthen the engine bay before slotting in say a 'mild' 250bhp C20LET.
im sorry but that would still handle badly, stupid power in a tin can and a relatively heavy engine
also coilovers do not = good handling automatically and i can nothing else in there your changing to make it handle? apart from the weight loss and cage
[Edited on 17-05-2007 by Steve]
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Robin
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Setting up the coilovers properly is the key Steve.
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Steve
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yes but it doesnt make any difference what you do to the suspension, the chassis design and geometry, is more important to handling than the shocks and springs imo
[Edited on 17-05-2007 by Steve]
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ed
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The fact that the Nova has a rear beam, not fully independant suspension is one of the most obvious things.
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Robin
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I disagree.
Grasstrack/rallycross Novas handle, they have standard suspension pickup points, just are corner weighted and camber adjusted etc, they handle.
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ed
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They would handle better if they were converted to IRS and had a suitable ARB.
[Edited on 17-05-2007 by ed]
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wilson_sri
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quote:
Originally posted by SportyBoy
cant belive your compareing a nova to a m3
its like compareing an m3 to a veyron
[Edited on 17-05-2007 by SportyBoy]
Where have i been comparing them? I even said a m3 handles better 
The whole time i have been stating that in my opinion id have a concours nova over a m3, but people seem to be thinking im saying a nova is better. Its actually immposible to have a adult conversation on this forum isnt it
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Robin
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I can't argue with that.
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ed
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quote:
Originally posted by wilson_sri
quote:
Originally posted by SportyBoy
cant belive your compareing a nova to a m3
its like compareing an m3 to a veyron
[Edited on 17-05-2007 by SportyBoy]
Where have i been comparing them? I even said a m3 handles better
The whole time i have been stating that in my opinion id have a concours nova over a m3, but people seem to be thinking im saying a nova is better. Its actually immposible to have a adult conversation on this forum isnt it
I'd say this looks like a comparison to me. A comparison of quality, not handling. Seem to have gone off on a tangent really...
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Originally posted by wilson_sri
Why is it a shit heap? Just because there old? A lot of novas out there are cleaner and better built than brand new m3s.
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Steve
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quote:
Originally posted by wilson_sri
quote:
Originally posted by SportyBoy
cant belive your compareing a nova to a m3
its like compareing an m3 to a veyron
[Edited on 17-05-2007 by SportyBoy]
Where have i been comparing them? I even said a m3 handles better
The whole time i have been stating that in my opinion id have a concours nova over a m3, but people seem to be thinking im saying a nova is better. Its actually immposible to have a adult conversation on this forum isnt it
i swear you said a rebuilt nova was better built than a brand new bmw m3, maybe i was seeing things
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ed
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quote:
Originally posted by wilson_sri
Im talking about concours novas here not your average ones. A mate of mine has spent 2 years rebuilding his black gsi, its immaculate. Every nut and bolt changed to stainless ones. Every part of metal has been painted or polished. WOuldnt find a spec of dirt on it, to me thats better than any M3
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abdus
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quote:
Originally posted by wilson_sri
Where have i been comparing them?
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Robin
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What's wrong with that though?
You know as well as I do Ed, a concourse car will be cleaner than one fresh off a production line.
[Edited on 17-05-2007 by Robin]
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wilson_sri
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quote:
Originally posted by ed
quote:
Originally posted by wilson_sri
Im talking about concours novas here not your average ones. A mate of mine has spent 2 years rebuilding his black gsi, its immaculate. Every nut and bolt changed to stainless ones. Every part of metal has been painted or polished. WOuldnt find a spec of dirt on it, to me thats better than any M3
Again im meaning in my own opinion, not in general. Id rather own or see a immaculate concours nova than m3 anyday.
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RPM
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were not getting very far, I'd however just like to agree with wilson.
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ed
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They would be as clean as eachother really, the concourse car would have more attantion to detail on things like nuts and bolts and hidden stuff, but essentially the BMW would have been built to a higher standard because it's a BMW and the reason people buy £40k cars over £8k cars is because they are higher quality. That and the fact that a Nova was built and designed using very limited technology by todays standards. Take for example your average hatch. For £8k these days you get full air bags, CD player, A/C, independant suspension on some vehicles, torsion bars on others. ABS brakes. The list goes on. Now if you can get this stuff on the lowest end of cars, thing about what technology is being used on a car where the budget for building and designing it is tenfold.
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Steve
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
What's wrong with that though?
You know as well as I do Ed, a concourse car will be cleaner than one fresh off a production line.
[Edited on 17-05-2007 by Robin]
cleaner wasnt in question, build quality and handling were
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wilson_sri
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Thanks for a mature reply Ed, at least someone can!
Totally agree with that.
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Robin
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Like I said, a standard M3 WOULD be outhandled by DHDev's or Lee Hersey's Novas.
Ask them what their Nurburgring lap time were.
If they're quicker times, that would indicate that the Nova handles better, wouldn't you say? The M3 will definitely have the legs on the straights...
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ed
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Well I do want to be a car designer when I grow up 
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AK
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my god.
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abdus
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but what about a TUNED 'handbuilt'M3 and a TUNED 'handbuilt' nova?
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wilson_sri
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
quote:
Originally posted by Robin
What's wrong with that though?
You know as well as I do Ed, a concourse car will be cleaner than one fresh off a production line.
[Edited on 17-05-2007 by Robin]
cleaner wasnt in question, build quality and handling were
quote:
Originally posted by wilson_sri
Why is it a shit heap? Just because there old? A lot of novas out there are cleaner and better built than brand new m3s.
Yes it was. Ok maybe im wrong about the build quality, i will admit that. But the whole time iv been taling about concours, as is a immaculate clean nova.
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by abdus
but what about a TUNED 'handbuilt'M3 and a TUNED 'handbuilt' nova?
That's a whole different story
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