Sooty
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Thats the thing.... its a saxo shell, but its nothing like it thats whats cool 
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Steve
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its exactly the same as a saxo richard 
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ryansss
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Originally posted by Sooty
CTR is hardly a budget motor mate
Is in a way I only paid 9k for mine (52 plate) so it was cheaper than say an RS, VX220, Integra. I couldnt find much in good condition for at the right age for under 10k. I love the look of the integra DC5 but 500 more a year to insure and 13k for the car
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Paul_J
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This thread is full of bull shit mainly coming from Dave A's mouth.
Dave A how about you go do a 1/4 mile and then come back with some real facts on how super quick your car is.
Matt H was struggling to get into high 14's in his 2.0 on TB's iirc and broster with 180 bhp 1.6 16v is still struggling to get any better than mid 15's!
I think mine could easily do a 14.7 or better with good conditions and a decent clutch.
I've seen many civic type R's go down the strip and the times range from 14.8-15.5's or worse.
This crap about a 'STANDARD' 2.0 16v doing mid 14's is total shit.
Define standard?
If your car is completely stripped, is it standard? no
If your car has an exhaust system or air filter is it standard no?
These two people instantly forget when they talk about 'standard 2.0 16v'
Mykes, 2.0 16v does bloody good times 14.6's - but afaik it's both stripped and got an exhaust system etc on it. Not standard. Plus looking at pics in his garage his pistons look like they've got cut outs for valves, perhaps he has some big cams in there and never knew?
Take the majority of 2.0 16v's (Fads etc) - they will do low 15's if your lucky, but generally mid 15's.
106 gti's with simple breathing mods will do similar
low 15's if your lucky and mid 15's generally.
CTR's will do high 14's IF YOUR LUCKY but generally mid 15's (as they are driven by muppets who sit there spinning the wheels)
106 Gti with breating mods can do 14's - if stripped and a healthy engine. My mate did a 14.78 in his 106 gti stripped with just exhaust and filter.
Mine with cams, exhaust, filter, remap and a full leather interior should be able to do 14.7's no prob with no clutch slip.
Dave A I wish you'd get yourself down somewhere like pod to prove what your car can do, as amazing as it is (I do love TB's) - you are merely quoting what you've beaten on the road and that's about as amazing as aids.
1.2 8v's also quote they beat Porsche 911's - but you know how it is.
Get yourself to a track.
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Nismo
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Originally posted by Paul_J
This thread is full of bull shit mainly coming from Dave A's mouth.
 spot on
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whitter45
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Originally posted by ryansss
Come on how many people on here have owned a Corsa and a CTR at the same time?
me! well it was my mates CTR but I have spent some time drving it 
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Steve
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I beat a wasp with a rolled up magazine yesterday
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Jason Iles
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Paul you're my hero I LMAO reading that
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Ry_B
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by muppetsport
so, 200bhp and 140lb/ft CTR compared to an xe's 150bhp and 145'ish lb/ft
doesnt seem a great deal of tourque for a 200bhp 2liter 16v to me?????
 For someone who has an awesome powered corsa, I can't believe you don't understand why the CTR has less torque. Effectively on the CTR by extending the torque further (so it doesn't tail off at 6k like a XE) you will suffer a loss in the torque. As a result however, you will end up with a higher peak power, as the torque will continue into higher RPM.
As it is, you end up with 140 lb ft of torque still pulling strong at 7-8k rpm - where as the XE will have no torque past 6k.
Look up how power is calculated and you'll see why a CTR has 200 bhp from 140 lb ft of torque and a XE only has 150 bhp from 145ish lb ft of torque.
Torque is mainly limited to A ) Block size, larger capacity = more torque. and B ) how it breathes. TB's = more torque, Forced induction = even more torque.
Effectively 2 N/A engines of the same capacity should make similar torque, it's what you do with that torque that counts 
Far more effective to have a flat Torque line of 140 lb ft going from 5k all the way up to 9k.
than to have a slowly rising torque line that peaks at 145lb ft just before 5.5k rpm.
(The loss of torque is merely due to try to extend it as higher rpm as you can, i.e. Whacking a insanely high lift cam on there (some cams may increase torque, a lot will reduce it @ peak, but shift the torque further up the rpm)
PMSL I love the way everyone is obsessed with torque these days. bloody Turbo Diesels that produce 250 lb ft of torque at 3k rpm and then make peak power at 4k rpm and then hit the limiter at 4.5k rpm.
About as usable as Leprocey.
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ryansss
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Originally posted by Steve
I beat a wasp with a rolled up magazine yesterday
LMAO
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ryansss
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Not been pod in mine for the simple reason I dont want to look silly.
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Carl
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Originally posted by Paul_J
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Originally posted by muppetsport
PMSL I love the way everyone is obsessed with torque these days. bloody Turbo Diesels that produce 250 lb ft of torque at 3k rpm and then make peak power at 4k rpm and then hit the limiter at 4.5k rpm.
About as usable as Leprocey.
Now your talking! Turbo diesels rock!
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Paul
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Sooty
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Paul J - I just read 'get yourself a track' and thats it, but i know your right
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Sooty
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Originally posted by ryansss
Not been pod in mine for the simple reason I dont want to look silly.
ur a bit late for that mate lol
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by Carl
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Originally posted by Paul_J
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Originally posted by muppetsport
PMSL I love the way everyone is obsessed with torque these days. bloody Turbo Diesels that produce 250 lb ft of torque at 3k rpm and then make peak power at 4k rpm and then hit the limiter at 4.5k rpm.
About as usable as Leprocey.
Now your talking! Turbo diesels rock!
I was saying they suck balls Is Leprocey usable? 
My point is, it's not so much - how much torque you have, but how it's delivered through the power band. On Turbo diesels it's a big blog of torque in a very narrow short power band. Apart from motorways it's not useable at all, hence things like Turbo Diesel 306 Tdi 1.9's are slow on 1/4 mile's even when tuned to produce lots more power and torque.
My point is, the CTR extends the torque further up the range, which albeit losing a little bit of peak torque, produces a much higher peak power result and faster acellerating car. As well as being able to pull in 2nd or 3rd gear all the way to 9k, rather than having to change at 5.5k like a Xe.
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Sooty
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to be fair if your in a CTR gunning it your hardly going to be pissnig about around 3k are you
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Robin
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i would. thats where all that famous vtec torque is
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Paul_J
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quote:
Originally posted by Sooty
to be fair if your in a CTR gunning it your hardly going to be pissnig about around 3k are you
I think you missed my point.
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Sooty
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to be fair if your in a CTR gunning it your hardly going to be pissnig about around 3k are you
I think you missed my point.
i wasnt refering to anything you said bud, i was on about the pissheads saying torque is the best thing since shaved balls
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Ditch
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Originally posted by Paul_J
Mykes, 2.0 16v does bloody good times 14.6's - but afaik it's both stripped and got an exhaust system etc on it. Not standard. Plus looking at pics in his garage his pistons look like they've got cut outs for valves, perhaps he has some big cams in there and never knew?
XE has pocketed pistons anyway paul... look like standard items to me 
And I firmly beleive a corsa with an XE "should" be running high 14's
same as a civic type R "should" be...
deciding factor is the fella sitting in the drivers seat pushing the pedals
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mav
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my mate has a CTR and we are aleays saying we are going to try and find someplace for a wee play, my T4 vs his CTR
Standard stats for mine are 200bhp, 0-60=6.7 secs and quarter in 15.2..
One day we will get it done and i will post results..
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Paul_J
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 wow that's pretty cool, didn't know they were pocketted standard.
Yeh I guess most should run high 14's - but the majority I've seen don't.
Guess you get different engines, just like you do on the 106's - some make nice amounts of power standard, some don't, some do 15's standard, some don't.
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Carl
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Originally posted by Paul_J
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Originally posted by Carl
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Originally posted by Paul_J
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Originally posted by muppetsport
PMSL I love the way everyone is obsessed with torque these days. bloody Turbo Diesels that produce 250 lb ft of torque at 3k rpm and then make peak power at 4k rpm and then hit the limiter at 4.5k rpm.
About as usable as Leprocey.
Now your talking! Turbo diesels rock!
I was saying they suck balls Is Leprocey usable?
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forgot to delete leporacy bit.
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