jr
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abosolutley PMSL at the u2u i've just got from topshot 
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topshot_2k
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Originally posted by Robin
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
i would like to know how a civic with 200bhp will leave me when i have 180+ bhp and more torque?
a) The Civic has a better suspension setup, Honda Type Rs ALWAYS handle perfectly, all of them.
b) The Civic engine is on the other side of the gearbox to yours, meaning the engine leans forward under acceleration, not back, thus increasing the load on the tyres, meaning more traction
c) The Civic has an LSD
d) The Civic does 0-60mph in 6.4 seconds, the 306 does it in 7.2, according to the manufacturers figures.
Would you like more?
[Edited on 04-04-2007 by Robin]
7.2 actually, pug use a load to lower the insurcance etc etc
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Marc
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Maybe lower temps etc? 
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Robin
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I said 7.2 
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whitter45
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
no as i have a different inlet manifold, and a complete exhaust system/decat, PTFE inlet gaskets, BMC and then have my cams/remap done which should see between 185-190bhp when back on the road,
so about 5-10bhp MAX in it, i fail to see how i will have my arse handed to me
you original comment said they try to race off the lights thinking they can win but they can't
Point is you have less power similar torque and they both weight roughly the same
Traction will be better on the CTR as its designed to put down 200 BHP
Also what you fail to see is that you have spent alot of money trying to get your car to the standard of a CTR whereas you can drive a CTR off the forecourt and still give you the wanker sign as he drives away from you at the lights
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Robin
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And do you have nothing to say about the other 3 points I made?
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whitter45
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quote:
Originally posted by topshot_2k
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Originally posted by Robin
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Originally posted by topshot_2k
i would like to know how a civic with 200bhp will leave me when i have 180+ bhp and more torque?
a) The Civic has a better suspension setup, Honda Type Rs ALWAYS handle perfectly, all of them.
b) The Civic engine is on the other side of the gearbox to yours, meaning the engine leans forward under acceleration, not back, thus increasing the load on the tyres, meaning more traction
c) The Civic has an LSD
d) The Civic does 0-60mph in 6.4 seconds, the 306 does it in 7.2, according to the manufacturers figures.
Would you like more?
[Edited on 04-04-2007 by Robin]
7.2 actually, pug use a load to lower the insurcance etc etc
CTR soes not have a LSD. Atthe time the FOCUS RS was the only car in its class to have a LSD. I don't know if the new CTR has a LSD
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Robin
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I'm talking about the new one, I thought everyone was
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jr
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it was JDM specs that had an LSD iirc, but lets not detract from the main points
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whitter45
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Originally posted by jr
it was JDM specs that had an LSD iirc, but lets not detract from the main points
i agree just didn't wnat topcock pointing that out
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jr
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yes sorry, new ones doess iirc, old uk ones doesnt
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Tom
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My brothers accord type r would hand you your ass topshot (he's got the gasket mod too   )
PGTF if you go looking at 0-60 times btw, look at evo mags times.
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Robin
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I've just been doing that Tom
EP CTR - 0-60mph in 6.8
306 GTi-6 - 0-60mph in 7.2
Not much in it there BUT
CTR - 0-100mph 16.9s
Gti-6 - 0-100mph in 20.1s
That's a fair difference, AND the new one is quicker.
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Tom
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Yep, that 0-100 is like a corsa 1.8 sri time 
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whitter45
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Originally posted by Robin
I've just been doing that Tom
EP CTR - 0-60mph in 6.8
306 GTi-6 - 0-60mph in 7.2
Not much in it there BUT
CTR - 0-100mph 16.9s
Gti-6 - 0-100mph in 20.1s
That's a fair difference, AND the new one is quicker.
my thoughts exactly i await his response to try prove it wrong
We are waiting topcock
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topshot_2k
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[Edited on 04-04-2007 by Monster]
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Rob H
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Originally posted by Tom
BTW a manifold gasket mod, do you sell them on ebay
(I don't care if I look silly to anyone who buys into this but how much difference can a fucking gasket make please)
Little to none - The change in material might give a negligible gain (heat transfer would have been considered when it was designed), and any heat not transfered to the manifold, would reside in the head, which the air still needs to go through anyway.
If the heat werent absorbed by through the gasket, it's still be absorbed by the ambient engine bay heat anyway .
Oh and if the intake manifold was being used to dissipate heat, you've just knocked your in-cylinder temps up, maening the engine will run hotter, be less efficient, and will most likely kill the head gasket quicker, you clever, clever boy 
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sorry guys new FN2 CTR DOESNT have a LSD anymore than tyhe old one did. Cheapo Honda UK didnt want it, as a lot of the 'comfy car' drivers who want a CTR dont want the extra driving fun of a LSD :-P
So glad i got my DC5 now, it still has more power, a LSD and weighs a LOT less than the new CTR.
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Tom
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Originally posted by AdiSRI
sorry guys new FN2 CTR DOESNT have a LSD anymore than tyhe old one did. Cheapo Honda UK didnt want it, as a lot of the 'comfy car' drivers who want a CTR dont want the extra driving fun of a LSD :-P
So glad i got my DC5 now, it still has more power, a LSD and weighs a LOT less than the new CTR.
Page 1 or 2, I said I'd have the dc5 over one all day much nicer looking too imo.
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Robin
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Ok, other than the LSD, all of my points are correct
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Rob H
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Originally posted by AdiSRI
So glad i got my DC5 now, it still has more power, a LSD and weighs a LOT less than the new CTR.
Sadly you also pay ALOT more for insurance than you would for an EP3 civic, you'd have payed more for it than a similarly aged/mileaged civic, and you have very little gains to show for it  .
(Based on mates who have each car, are a similar age and live within a couple of miles of each other)
[Edited on 04-04-2007 by Rob H]
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Tom
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I'm pretty sure the dc5 would be quite a bit quicker with the extra power, the diff and the weight loss. Looks much much better and probably handles a shed load better aswell, the extra insurance cost would be worth it just because they;re rarer also.
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Rob H
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I'm pretty sure the dc5 would be quite a bit quicker with the extra power, the diff and the weight loss. Looks much much better and probably handles a shed load better aswell, the extra insurance cost would be worth it just because they;re rarer also.
I thought there'd be a difference, but apparently it's not as noticable as you'd imagine. They weigh pretty much the same, so i can only imagine it was down to driving style, and the way the power is delivered on the Integra .
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Tom
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I can't see it being noticable on a road too much but on a track you would think it'd kill it, I would anyway 
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Rob H
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I can't see it being noticable on a road too much but on a track you would think it'd kill it, I would anyway
So it's noticable when you've payed extra money for insurance, and it's no longer valid anyway?
Great stuff .
Don't get me wrong i like the DC5 alot, i just don't see the orgasms people have over it, then slate the EP3 when their is very little appart form looks to distinguish between them .
N.B i can't comment on handling becuase i've never driven them back to back, but IMO again it'll be negligible .
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