Robin
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I don't care how much the car is worth in 3 years time, a car is a depreciating asset, always will be no matter what car you buy.
McLaren F1  £527k to £2.5m in less than 15 years, almost as good as a house
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Joe
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I know its not hard evidence, but looking on PH.....
Brand new VXR's
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/264138.htm
57 plate, 14k miles S3
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/818737.htm
I know neither may sell, but residuals seem better for the Audi.
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Ojc
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They will do though because the Audi was 10k more expensive in the first place.
Plus, in the current climate people may look past the Audi now and look at other cars as a real alternative, why spend 21k on a second hand performance car when you can have one that is just as good BRAND NEW for 6k less in what ever spec and colour you want?
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Nic Barnes
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astra has lost 3k audi has lost 6k+ though joe.
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Joe
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I completely agree Oliver, you'd be foolish not to look at all the options.
Personally I'd still get the Audi though 
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Nic Barnes
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I completely agree Oliver, you'd be foolish not to look at all the options.
Personally I'd still get the Audi though
why?
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Joe
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astra has lost 3k audi has lost 6k+ though joe.
I know, but its relative to the original price then. It was just an example to point on that just because you shell out nearly £30k its not all lost as it will still be worth a good amount 2 or 3 years down the line.
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Nic Barnes
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astra has lost 3k audi has lost 6k+ though joe.
I know, but its relative to the original price then. It was just an example to point on that just because you shell out nearly £30k its not all lost as it will still be worth a good amount 2 or 3 years down the line.
yeah you have paid more, and lost more over the same period. when really, you could have paid less for essentially an equal car and lost less.
people have lost more money based on the audi reputation.
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Joe
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I completely agree Oliver, you'd be foolish not to look at all the options.
Personally I'd still get the Audi though
why?
I prefer the looks, better built (imo), I prefer a comfier drive rather than a more full out attack car.
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Ojc
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Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by Joe
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Originally posted by Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by Joe
I completely agree Oliver, you'd be foolish not to look at all the options.
Personally I'd still get the Audi though
why?
I prefer the looks, better built (imo), I prefer a comfier drive rather than a more full out attack car.
could you ever consider the vauxhall seriously?
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Tommy L
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The S3 in Joe's example is older than VXR in the example.
In the year and half the S3's value has dropped around 22% when the VXR not even after a year has dropped 15%.
Not really a fair comparison but will be good to see the price/depreciation comparisons in a year or 2.
[Edited on 07-01-2009 by corsa_tomtom]
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Kevxx
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Originally posted by Ojc
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Joe
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Maybe so, but I only use my car like once or twice a week. Its just to get me round, I don't really care much for vehicles at the minute. Maybe because I'm not looking to change right now, if I had the money maybe I'd be a bit more keen?
And Nic, not really. If I didn't work on them then I'd probably have a different opinion, I can see the appeal for other people, decent cars at a decent price.
At the end of the day, long may Vauxhall keep knocking out cars that sell shit loads as its my families bread and butter, if they went bust then we could be up shit creak.
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Ojc
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Originally posted by corsa_tomtom
The S3 in Joe's example is older than VXR in the example.
In the year and half the S3's value has dropped around 22% when the VXR not even after a year has dropped 15%.
Not really a fair comparison but will be good to see the price/depreciation comparisons in a year or 2.
[Edited on 07-01-2009 by corsa_tomtom]
Trouble is non of us really know what the lowest price the cars can be sold for, for Vaux & Audi to make a profit. I know people that have paid 14k for a brand new VXR with 19's (£500 extra) with partners discount etc, and I know people that have spent £22k on a standard Astra VXR.
So to say that Astra has lost however much is irrelvant TBH as it's brand new and could be sold for 22k to one person and 14k to someone else same could be said for the Audi.
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corsa_nation
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Joe is right, the S3 is a car that can be driven like the VXR and to the same effect. Those who suffer from rheumatoid conditions and live on the motorway but also want a belt around the B roads would be better suited to the S3.
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Nic Barnes
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so.......
biggest selling car was the focus? good cars.
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Joe
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Yeah the Focus, better than the Astra imo
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Nic Barnes
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Yeah the Focus, better than the Astra imo
id agree completely
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Ojc
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Joe is right, the S3 is a car that can be driven like the VXR and to the same effect. Those who suffer from rheumatoid conditions and live on the motorway but also want a belt around the B roads would be better suited to the S3.
You base that on what? An S3 doesn't handle any better than a VXR, might grip better but doesn't handle better. Again you are talking about torque steer yet anyone other than Clarkson doesn't seem to notice it.
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SportBoy
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i would have a focus anyday ... far better than my daddys rolls royce
[Edited on 07-01-2009 by SportyBoy]
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Ojc
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Yeah the Focus, better than the Astra imo
Better dash, I want those gauges but I don't want the driving position.
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Tommy L
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The new focus' are a damn good car especially for the price.
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Tommy L
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Originally posted by corsa_nation
Joe is right, the S3 is a car that can be driven like the VXR and to the same effect. Those who suffer from rheumatoid conditions and live on the motorway but also want a belt around the B roads would be better suited to the S3.
You base that on what? An S3 doesn't handle any better than a VXR, might grip better but doesn't handle better. Again you are talking about torque steer yet anyone other than Clarkson doesn't seem to notice it.
so is torque steer just a myth then?
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Nic Barnes
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Yeah the Focus, better than the Astra imo
Better dash, I want those gauges but I don't want the driving position.
honest question as you came from novas like i did years ago. do you not find the steering in the astra vxr's just a little bit rediculous? too sharp, lack of feeling to it. a slight movement of the steering wheel makes the car think your going round a hair pin.
maybe im just more suited to older cars.
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