BluKoo
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Originally posted by FruitBooTeR
Has anyone seen the red one on the cover of this months Fast Ford?.....MY GODDD! 
Yeah, i bought that mag last week
Its a great car, but the paintwork isn't up to the same sort of standard as the rest of the car. Can see buffer trails and marring in quite a few places.
Its probably the only thing that lets it down imo.
I love the seats with the red stitching.
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DaveyLC
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RS200 doesnt even compare.. That is a car of epic proporitons.. A works RS200 is the first thing on my to-buy list if I win the lottory.
You say lots not forget what it really is..But its not an Escort really its just the body panels, its a Sierra underneath and quite a feat of engineering, thats like saying a Lotus Carlton is just a Carlton with a spoiler and a couple of turbos 
It is.... Been strengthened, but fundimentally its still just a Carlton with "boyracer" upgrades for the road. more cc, turbos, brakes, chassis strengthening, suspension etc. its still just as nasty inside.
Jsut a sierra underneath? I thoguht the wheelbase length was shorter than a Sierra (actual real question).
Exactly, an RS200 is an epic car, a Cossie is not. Its a great car of its generation, (just like Mk2 Escorts), but time moves on, and things arn't as good as they used to be.
Escort wheel base is shorter than sierra, hence why if you put cossie wings on a standard Mk5 the wheels look like they have been pushed back towards the flitch.
As for the Carlton 'still being shitty inside' there is about 2 cows worth of connolly hide and more Alcantara than Sparco would know what to do with..
It wasnt strengthened either, the base car was more than strong enough
Still to this day its one of the quickest cars on a 0-100-0 sprint and it weighs more than the sun!
Theres pleanty of modern stuff that would see off classic 'Iconic' cars (Cossie, Integrale, Lotus Carlton etc.) but they dont have the soul and character of the classics.. Take the RS6 for example that is a fine piece of engineering and a stonkingly fast car but its dull as a mud puddle.
Cars like the Cossie/Lotus/Integrale are the sort of car you pull into a petrol station forecourt and people stop pumping fuel to have a look at your car!
[Edited on 03-07-2009 by DaveyLC]
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Jambo
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rs6 dull 
i may not of had the pleasure of driving one, but no roadtests etc have ever said that?
Daimo i wasnt having a go but a car being iconic is not to do with its cross continent pace or refinement? Id go to a cruise in a model T they are cool as fuck!
[Edited on 03-07-2009 by Jambo]
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by DaveyLC
Escort wheel base is shorter than sierra, hence why if you put cossie wings on a standard Mk5 the wheels look like they have been pushed back towards the flitch.
As for the Carlton 'still being shitty inside' there is about 2 cows worth of connolly hide and more Alcantara than Sparco would know what to do with..
It wasnt strengthened either, the base car was more than strong enough
Still to this day its one of the quickest cars on a 0-100-0 sprint and it weighs more than the sun!
Theres pleanty of modern stuff that would see off classic 'Iconic' cars (Cossie, Integrale, Lotus Carlton etc.) but they dont have the soul and character of the classics.. Take the RS6 for example that is a fine piece of engineering and a stonkingly fast car but its dull as a mud puddle.
Cars like the Cossie/Lotus/Integrale are the sort of car you pull into a petrol station forecourt and people stop pumping fuel to have a look at your car!
[Edited on 03-07-2009 by DaveyLC]
D5 has 7 cows... 2 cows in a huge car doesn't impress 
Soul is down to individual opinion. Depends on what impresses you. I'd be more impressed with a far worse Renault V6T Alpina, than say a Cossie. Its slower, rubbish, plastic, but its ouber rare and oozzes charm.
Jambs, no need to be defensive, were chatting  I see your points yeah.
O'd get far more excited about owner a 2 tonne double the BHP of a cossie estate car, that I could use to take stuff down teh tip, take the kids to school, hook the jetski on the back, and still stuff the cossie, RS6 over the escort.
What im trying to say is, cars do specific things. An RS6 is not a track car, neither is a Cossie. its a fast road car, thats it, and theres plenty out there that are quicker and can do this. If you want a silly quick car, like a Nissan Skyline, spend tens of thousands building a car that breaks down, or buy a fast one out the crate.
Conversions + tuning = problems. Sorry to say it, but it does, thats why manufactures spend millions making them as fast and reliable as they can from the box.
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mwg
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bet you wish you never started this thread now Jambo 
all you did was ask if anyone else shares your love for EsCos'
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Daimo B
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Why? No-ones arguing or ruining the post???
We've just been discussing it? What exactly is wrong with it?
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mwg
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cos its turned into how ever many pages of you saying you like them but modern cars would piss all over them. which I think most people already know
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Daimo B
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Well if people state the same question back directly towards me, they will get a direct reply back????
I thought its been quite good this post? It would have died by page 2 otherwise.
Added more Es Cossie pictures than you have 
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Ojc
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Modern cars would piss all over them? Straight line maybe, but fuck me put it on a track no fucking way. Not a chance with a small power hike they go like rockets.
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Jambo
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wasnt being defensive in a moody way dude, should have put a smiley on there 
tuning problems are part of the fun
i would have to pick a cl65 amg to nip to the south of France, that or a DBS
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mwg
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Originally posted by VXR
Well if people state the same question back directly towards me, they will get a direct reply back????
I thought its been quite good this post? It would have died by page 2 otherwise.
Added more Es Cossie pictures than you have
well bully for you
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jr
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who was silly enough to say a escos is just a 14 year old escort ?
hardly, very very little is shared
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Yea, they have the floor pan out of a Sierra
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jr
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Nope its not a rep, norweigen iirc, was on the front cover of PF a few months back.
That looks like the Blue one that has been rebuilt/re-shelled after the mentallist 600+bhp one in Norway was written off?
[Edited on 03-07-2009 by VXR]
its not, its been sold and is now sliver, and doesnt get used anywhere near how it used to
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jr
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Originally posted by VXR
Jsut a sierra underneath? I thoguht the wheelbase length was shorter than a Sierra (actual real question).
uses a cut down saph 4x4 floor pan as may have been said
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jr
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Originally posted by VXR
People are just picking out the negatives of my replies here, no-one is paying attention to the fact i said i like Cossies, theres just far better out there today...
considering the engine is by rights a 1984 design, and based on the earlier YAA, which itsself was based on the pinto, which is a 1970 engine the fact it can still play with the "big boys" of the tuning world is still amazing IMO
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They don't build 'em like they used to hey
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Daimo B
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MattyG, you took it off topic by having a pop at me.
JR, dunno, i never said its a 14 year old escort?
OJC - No, 4wd on the escort isn't as quick as you think. Proved by 5th gear I think, Cossie Vs Focus RS. 4x4 Vs FWd.. Result was the apex speeds of the Focus was about 2-5mph faster in EVERY corner than the Cossie So no, not just in a straight line, under braking, turn in, apex, and exit speeds.. Im sure its on YouTube by now.
James, didn't know it was derived from the Pinto, thought it was a totally new YB engine. I've never been a fan of the Pinto lump tbh. Much prefer the YB obviously
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Originally posted by jr
this is my other favorite road going car, 28.5k btw
[Edited on 03-07-2009 by jr]
Proper car
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As much as I love the look of them I dont think I could pay that much cash for a 14+yr old car. Yea I know there legendary in the motoring world but there just to old now. £14k would get you a stunning well specced up Evo/Scooby for that money that will no doubt be a lot more reliable and better built.
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Jambo
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tune a focus rs and itl understeer into a hedge. Cossie? Nope 4x4!
Thus better. Its a platform!
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jr
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Originally posted by big eck
As much as I love the look of them I dont think I could pay that much cash for a 14+yr old car. Yea I know there legendary in the motoring world but there just to old now. £14k would get you a stunning well specced up Evo/Scooby for that money that will no doubt be a lot more reliable and better built.
and IMO be like the 1000 other genric scoobys/evos, which still dont have as much road presence, look or good, or have anthing "about" them
in my view anyway
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by Jambo
tune a focus rs and itl understeer into a hedge. Cossie? Nope 4x4!
Thus better. Its a platform!
Put too much power though ANY chassis and the handling will suffer.
How can you say that, no-one has tuned the RS yet, or twiddled with the suspension. The Cossie is jsut the run of the mill Mcphearson stuts, used many a time.
The RS is a new technology, un-tested the the "tuning" world, so such statements cannot yet be made.
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Jambo
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the laws of physics say otherwise
i the rs had mcphersons to? Just with a radicly different angle from the king pin?? (genuine question)
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Nothing wil live up to an escort cosworth in my eyes.
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