taylorboosh
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For the record i agree with alan
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taylorboosh
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Originally posted by Mike
I once delivered a vending machine to a Muslim school, that was scary, backpacks everywhere 
Not noticed this Ian?
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taylorboosh
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Originally posted by SAS-1991
I don't trust them in the slightest, I live near keighley one of the most Muslim ridden places I ever been! And having see what they do, how they opperate and just the down right rudeness they have towards white people. It's really gets me miffed!! But half of these do gooders who say 'oh there not too bad nur nur nur...' Don't have to deal with they like we do around here! There just vile!
That is racism right there..
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alan-g-w
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I'd agree but apparently a lot of people in here want to be pernickety bastards about it. Let's call it religionist which, in this society, has pretty much the same effect.
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Jambo
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I would like some white Jewish or Asian Sikh's to air their views on the topic.
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JonnyJ
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Originally posted by Jambo
I would like some white Jewish or Asian Sikh's to air their views on the topic.
OJC already has
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John
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Originally posted by taylorboosh
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Originally posted by SAS-1991
I don't trust them in the slightest, I live near keighley one of the most Muslim ridden places I ever been! And having see what they do, how they opperate and just the down right rudeness they have towards white people. It's really gets me miffed!! But half of these do gooders who say 'oh there not too bad nur nur nur...' Don't have to deal with they like we do around here! There just vile!
That is racism right there..
That's not racist on its own, it's a comment on his dealings with a group of people. There could be racism behind that view but certainly not enough to decide that from what's posted.
Mikes post is probably more blatant racism but it's also topical humour, which should be allowed. People who get offended by humour are worse.
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Toby
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Originally posted by John
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Originally posted by taylorboosh
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Originally posted by SAS-1991
I don't trust them in the slightest, I live near keighley one of the most Muslim ridden places I ever been! And having see what they do, how they opperate and just the down right rudeness they have towards white people. It's really gets me miffed!! But half of these do gooders who say 'oh there not too bad nur nur nur...' Don't have to deal with they like we do around here! There just vile!
That is racism right there..
That's not racist on its own, it's a comment on his dealings with a group of people. There could be racism behind that view but certainly not enough to decide that from what's posted.
Mikes post is probably more blatant racism but it's also topical humour, which should be allowed. People who get offended by humour are worse.
Racism is defined by interpretation. If he feels offended by it then it is to be considered racist.
Don't know how a race of people can be judged based upon skin tone and culture and by the actions a very small minority of people. My opinion is that before anyone judges anyone else you look closer to home. I would be mortified if all Asian people thought we were all Peado's because of a minority of wankers from my race like Ian Huntley etc.
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Steve
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They can be judged in the same way a whole young age group of people are judged by insurance. Because on the whole they are dodgy fuckers*, not all of them, same as not all young people are dangerous drivers, but it's no coincidence most peoples experiences are like you read here. You don't see people having the same opinions about the Chinese do you. There's a reason for that.
*and I don't mean extreme terrorism, just general bad behaviour, and trying to flaunt various laws and commitments
[Edited on 28-09-2013 by Steve]
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taylorboosh
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Im not offended, in not muslim... But it could be seen as offensive and it is racism no matter how you look at it.. Im not hugely arsed.. Just didnt feel alan deserved the flack he was getting
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Toby
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How are they anymore 'dodgy fuckers' than any of your/our race Steve? There maybe things i don't agree with but i think i would be more concerned about what we are doing with our own 'dodgy fuckers' first.
Also your example is poor and flawed. Facts & figures are hard to deny and if your suggesting that percentage of young males that crash early stages of driving is the same as the amount of muslims that break the law and behave badly are the same then you must be highly misinformed.
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Steve
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Yes figures mean a lot, I'd be interested in seeing figures for the ethnicity of all proven cases of insurance fraud for instance.
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Gary
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Don't why folk are so bothered about offending people. Who gives a fuck really? If their fault they're offended no one else's.
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John
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Originally posted by Toby
Peado's because of a minority of wankers from my race like Ian Huntley etc.
What about the large amount of Pakistani origin males who are doing the grooming just now.
I've not got access to all the data obviously, so that could just be the way it's been portrayed, I doubt it however because of how sure they'd have to be before publishing, out of fear of the racism card being pulled.
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I cant remember the last time i seen a muesli.
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Shell
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Don't why folk are so bothered about offending people. Who gives a fuck really? If their fault they're offended no one else's.
What a triumphant cop out  If you're rude and offensive that's YOUR problem, not the poor bugger on the receiving end of a fool's ego "I say what I think and if you don't like my opinions, tough" is just the height of arrogance. People shouldn't have to listen to and just accept the sheer tripe that falls out some folks mouth.
[Edited on 28-09-2013 by Shell]
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Jambo
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People often confuse the colour of skin being a reason why people are racist and not cultural/ideal differences which make them different. The foundation for a lot of cultures is religion. In the developed western world we have less "need" for religion and this reflects in the smaller and less radical beliefs in the general public. In the third world there is no education system like we assume for ourselves. Many only learn one book, like they did back here many years ago. Their entire world is confined to what they know, which is what their communities and families are all linked to. This is why you have radicals.
Over here the same communities thrive, albeit more educated and thus less radical obviously. However there is lots of sympathy and subversive goings on. Slow or silent in the wake of attacks and attrocities their leaders say nothing. Public Muslim figures like baroness Warsi (A prominent Muslim educated woman) are regularly verbally attacked and protested against by Muslims.
The ones people speak of who are likely to drink/dance etc are the ones who are like the "Catholics" you know who are the same... They aren't really religious or do not follow the organised path. So these are not a true reflection of those who we are really referring to.
The people that are concerned and "not trusted" would sooner live in a Muslim land than the current state, their religion means a strict difference between believers and kuffurs (non believers) which is common with the likes of Jehovah witnesses before people start saving the guardian around in protest. They have zero interest in conforming to your way of life, zero interest in changing (why would they) and zero interest in intergrating.
I am friends with a couple on fb. One is an educated politician who a one of nhs nicest yet strangest individuals I have ever met. He is white. The second is a sad little man who spouts vindictive hate usually against western culture and people, claiming for example that the Lee Rigby murder was faked. The usual conspiracy theory mentalist with a degree from YouTube. He is actively engaged in defending any Muslim attack, if this where the 60's and he a communist he would have been locked up for less. I can assure you having see. First hand that sympathisers and people who appear normal but support these horrific attrocities are living and walking amongst us.
There is as much nonsense spoken about the over Pc reactions spoken here as there are about the over fascist remarks usually banded about.
[Edited on 28-09-2013 by Jambo]
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Gary
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I don't mean just abusing folk for the sake of it but if I say something that you don't like then Unlucky.
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Tbh if you went to there country do you think they would treat you with as much acceptance as we do them? Probably not.
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Originally posted by JordyCarter
Tbh if you went to there country do you think they would treat you with as much acceptance as we do them? Probably not.
ah, the great country of Muslim
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Russ
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Half the morons on here wouldn't know the difference between a religion and a country anyway
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Ian
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quote:
Originally posted by taylorboosh
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Originally posted by Mike
I once delivered a vending machine to a Muslim school, that was scary, backpacks everywhere
Not noticed this Ian?
Are you genuinely offended? Like so much it actually matters? Have you ever seen actual racism?
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Aaron
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A teacher (dept head actually) at a school I used to work at was of the opinion that there's no such thing as racism. To him, "racism is just an opinion".
Cool story 
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Ian
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Originally posted by SAS-1991
I don't trust them in the slightest, I live near keighley one of the most Muslim ridden places I ever been! And having see what they do, how they opperate and just the down right rudeness they have towards white people. It's really gets me miffed!! But half of these do gooders who say 'oh there not too bad nur nur nur...' Don't have to deal with they like we do around here! There just vile!
That is racism right there..
That's one of the least racist things in this thread.
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Ian
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Originally posted by taylorboosh
But it could be seen as offensive
Which is what half the problem with it all is. People who are not involved being scared that they should be.
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Originally posted by taylorboosh
it is racism no matter how you look at it.
Depending largely on whether you understand that racism involves prejudice, and forming an opinion of someone based on things they actually do can't be prejudice.
If you want to split hairs then yes, it is unfair to say that because his experience of some people is negative then his opinion of the the whole race should be negative, but to make it easier for those people who don't understand, you need to have an example like that because it explains how prejudice works.
ie. if you've had no dealings and you dislike people <- prejudice
If you've had dealings and form an opinion <- not prejudice
Fairly low level stuff, this. Obviously more difficult than reading a bad word and calling them a racist. Which is easy but a lot of the time, incorrect.
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