DizzyRebel
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Once you have been to the areas and seen how bad it is you will start to understand why they turn to crime. For some people, they have been born into the slums and all they have known is crime. I dont know you or your past, but i can bet you havnt had to live on the breadline and havnt lived in a neighbourhood where the majority of the residents make money from selling drugs, dodgy dvds and prostitution. Newport is one of those places.
Im not saying its impossible to get on your feet if you live by the system, but for some people its nigh on impossible. And although i dont condone or encourage people to go out on the rob, i do belive that a man should do anything in his power to get ahead in live. Id sooner take a gamble on something like that than work in maccies or the corner shop till im 65 wondering what it would be like to live with expendable income.
You were talking a while back about wanting to set up a business werent you? What was it again?
Motorcycle repair and recovery.
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Cosmo
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Motorcycle repair and recovery.
Ah yeah, that was it.
So your van and essential tools get nicked by some guy just trying to provide for his hard up family as is too lazy to work in McDonalds.
Its going to take a good 4-6 weeks (I know it could be quicker, but for the sake of the example and trying to get this across to you imagine you're in a situation where it wont be quick) for everything to be replaced and you back in business fully, and in that time you lose contracts you have with you major clients as they have had to go elsewhere to someone who hasnt been effected. You come back to full operation and these clients wont move back to you as are happy with this new service they are getting.
How happy are you then that this guy is just providing for his family?
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John
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If you live in a neighbourhood like you are talking about you either make a point of getting out of it or you don't, nothing to do with living by the system.
I've been fairly lucky but my parents weren't and my dad didn't do any bank jobs I'm aware of to get out of it.
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Once you have been to the areas and seen how bad it is you will start to understand why they turn to crime.
Well thats alright then, i needed to buy some stamps earlier and was 20p short, should i of mugged the old lady next to me because i was in need.
There may be a million excuses for doing it but it still doesnt make it right,
if someone stole from them i bet they wouldnt be too pleased about it
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Cosmo
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I've been fairly lucky but my parents weren't and my dad didn't do any bank jobs I'm aware of to get out of it.
Same here.
My mum and dad were both born in what is (I think still is, certainly was in last few years) classed as the poorest place in England, and a lot of my family still live around there - yet Im certain he didnt knock anywhere off to get out.
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DizzyRebel
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Motorcycle repair and recovery.
Ah yeah, that was it.
So your van and essential tools get nicked by some guy just trying to provide for his hard up family as is too lazy to work in McDonalds.
Its going to take a good 4-6 weeks (I know it could be quicker, but for the sake of the example and trying to get this across to you imagine you're in a situation where it wont be quick) for everything to be replaced and you back in business fully, and in that time you lose contracts you have with you major clients as they have had to go elsewhere to someone who hasnt been effected. You come back to full operation and these clients wont move back to you as are happy with this new service they are getting.
How happy are you then that this guy is just providing for his family?
I know what you are saying mate, im not arguing the fact that someone somewhere is going to loose out and it could put them on the breadline instead. Im not saying their actions could be justified either - but there are a lot of people on here who have never faced what people in the slums have and its surprising the lengths people go to when times get hard.
My argument was simply that they didnt deserve to die for what they did like so many people were saying. They took 40k of stuff from one store... the government robs some people of 50% of their income for working hard and playing by the rules. So who is more in the wrong - some lads living in the slums taking a chance on getting out of poverty, or fat cat politicians robbing us all of our hard earned money to pay for porn, home improvements, tvs etc? There are so many crimes in the world more fit for death than this one - thats all i was saying 
Ps the van will be insured for top line and goods in transit is set at 20k so if it got nicked id be about 15k up lol
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the people doing the things with flowers and on facebook is completely out of order, they aint murderers, they are not rapists or paedofiles so to mock the death and say they deserved it is bang out of order imo.
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by DizzyRebel
I know what you are saying mate, im not arguing the fact that someone somewhere is going to loose out and it could put them on the breadline instead. Im not saying their actions could be justified either - but there are a lot of people on here who have never faced what people in the slums have and its surprising the lengths people go to when times get hard.
My argument was simply that they didnt deserve to die for what they did like so many people were saying. They took 40k of stuff from one store... the government robs some people of 50% of their income for working hard and playing by the rules. So who is more in the wrong - some lads living in the slums taking a chance on getting out of poverty, or fat cat politicians robbing us all of our hard earned money to pay for porn, home improvements, tvs etc? There are so many crimes in the world more fit for death than this one - thats all i was saying
Ps the van will be insured for top line and goods in transit is set at 20k so if it got nicked id be about 15k up lol
I dont care if they are on the breadline or not, its not reason to take off others who arent. I couldnt give two shits how hard up they are. I couldnt care if they were having to scrape 10yr old chewing gum off the pavement to give their kid of xmas day for dinner, its still not a good enough reason.
And at least the Govt gives you services for the tax (although for the record I dont agree with the 50% tax) - I have yet to see someone robbing my shop offering a service. May be if they stole my stock but gave me a health check or something then Id change my mind.
And the van will be insured for more, i get that, but hope you have receipts for everything when you claim. As you'll only be getting the value of those items - and whilst you're at insurance fruad to get more you'll have to falsify your accounting to show your assets as a higher value - which is a lot harder to do.
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Cosmo
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btw, you still havent answered a lot of my points where I multi quoted you Dizzy.
Especially the small shop one....
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Root
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epic fail
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DizzyRebel
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I know what you are saying mate, im not arguing the fact that someone somewhere is going to loose out and it could put them on the breadline instead. Im not saying their actions could be justified either - but there are a lot of people on here who have never faced what people in the slums have and its surprising the lengths people go to when times get hard.
My argument was simply that they didnt deserve to die for what they did like so many people were saying. They took 40k of stuff from one store... the government robs some people of 50% of their income for working hard and playing by the rules. So who is more in the wrong - some lads living in the slums taking a chance on getting out of poverty, or fat cat politicians robbing us all of our hard earned money to pay for porn, home improvements, tvs etc? There are so many crimes in the world more fit for death than this one - thats all i was saying
Ps the van will be insured for top line and goods in transit is set at 20k so if it got nicked id be about 15k up lol
I dont care if they are on the breadline or not, its not reason to take off others who arent. I couldnt give two shits how hard up they are. I couldnt care if they were having to scrape 10yr old chewing gum off the pavement to give their kid of xmas day for dinner, its still not a good enough reason.
And at least the Govt gives you services for the tax (although for the record I dont agree with the 50% tax) - I have yet to see someone robbing my shop offering a service. May be if they stole my stock but gave me a health check or something then Id change my mind.
And the van will be insured for more, i get that, but hope you have receipts for everything when you claim. As you'll only be getting the value of those items - and whilst you're at insurance fruad to get more you'll have to falsify your accounting to show your assets as a higher value - which is a lot harder to do.
Are you just choosing to ignore what i say because you are sexually frustrated or something? I clearly said that there is no excuse for what they did, but on the flipside they didnt deserve to die either. And faced with the same situation, i bet half the people condemning them would have done the same thing.
Well if you take into account, road tax, council tax, value added tax, income tax and any other tax ive forgotten i dont thing id be far wrong in assuming that half of your earnings is swallowed up in tax one way or another.
As for the goods in transit, i have receipts etc for tools, equipment and 'consumables' that dont need to be accounted for on the books as i owned them before i started trading so agreed with the insurer that i would have £20,000 of cover for the equipment in my van in the event of theft.
Im not daft, i cover my arse when it needs it most!
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DizzyRebel
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btw, you still havent answered a lot of my points where I multi quoted you Dizzy.
Especially the small shop one....
I missed that, ill go back and have a look.
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Cosmo
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One minute, so you think you've agreed with the insurance to pay out for £20k worth of goods that dont actually add up to £20k (hence you being £15k up) just off your say so that they were in there? Good luck with that, Im certain insurance companies have never seen this before 
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DizzyRebel
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Will deal with these points separately as you sont seem to understand how retailer and/or insurance works.
Insurance pays out the cost of the goods to the store (i.e. wholesale), it doesnt pay out retail value. If all the company gets is the wholesale value of the goods back, then this will go nowhere in covering the costs of the store. Great you MAY get cash for the wholesale value of the goods stolen, but zero profit, and therefore what covers the rent, the rates, the employees wages, the utility bills, etc? Its the lost profit on those stolen items that would of paid for those.
And also, in reality what they will tend to get from the insurance is replacement items (not cash), which 9/10 will be delivered with a delay and by the time they hit the shop floor will struggle to shift.
You mean 6 small shops mate, combined stock worth well over £1m, combined turnover close to hitting £2m. Yup, tiny 
What you fail to understand is the employees in that store may be the ones who end up being the ones effected at the end of the day - thats not dog eat dog. Thats a dog screwing over a hard worker.
Hopefully that person does the job, gets killed preferably on the way, but if not on the way back will do), and his family struggle even more at Christmas.
Dog eat dog world, hope his kids go hungry.
First off, I dont know how your insurance works - but in our dealership it paid off the credit line for any outstanding amounts on stock we had. Paid out the wholesale value of any of our assets (£600,000 of stock and assets with a credit line of 90k) It actually got us out the shit with the credit line and got us the cash for stock we were struggling to shift. 2 completely different lines of business so i cant really comment for you as you know your clothing sales far better than i do.
6 small shops, so thats about £160k of stock per store assuming its distributed evenly. Would 40k of stock from one of those stores bring down the whole chain? Really? I cant see it myself.
Employees loosing jobs would be a bit of a shitter, but thats life and i dont know anyone who thinks their job is 100% secure at the moment.
And you can honestly say, if you had the chance to turn your life around by comitting one theft that wouldnt completely ruin a firm you wouldnt, and you would work at maccies for the rest of your life just existing?
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DizzyRebel
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One minute, so you think you've agreed with the insurance to pay out for £20k worth of goods that dont actually add up to £20k (hence you being £15k up) just off your say so that they were in there? Good luck with that, Im certain insurance companies have never seen this before
I have receipts for the stated amount, and thats all you need to know
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First off, I dont know how your insurance works - but in our dealership it paid off the credit line for any outstanding amounts on stock we had. Paid out the wholesale value of any of our assets (£600,000 of stock and assets with a credit line of 90k) It actually got us out the shit with the credit line and got us the cash for stock we were struggling to shift. 2 completely different lines of business so i cant really comment for you as you know your clothing sales far better than i do.
6 small shops, so thats about £160k of stock per store assuming its distributed evenly. Would 40k of stock from one of those stores bring down the whole chain? Really? I cant see it myself.
Employees loosing jobs would be a bit of a shitter, but thats life and i dont know anyone who thinks their job is 100% secure at the moment.
And you can honestly say, if you had the chance to turn your life around by comitting one theft that wouldnt completely ruin a firm you wouldnt, and you would work at maccies for the rest of your life just existing?
You really are a tool
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DizzyRebel
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First off, I dont know how your insurance works - but in our dealership it paid off the credit line for any outstanding amounts on stock we had. Paid out the wholesale value of any of our assets (£600,000 of stock and assets with a credit line of 90k) It actually got us out the shit with the credit line and got us the cash for stock we were struggling to shift. 2 completely different lines of business so i cant really comment for you as you know your clothing sales far better than i do.
6 small shops, so thats about £160k of stock per store assuming its distributed evenly. Would 40k of stock from one of those stores bring down the whole chain? Really? I cant see it myself.
Employees loosing jobs would be a bit of a shitter, but thats life and i dont know anyone who thinks their job is 100% secure at the moment.
And you can honestly say, if you had the chance to turn your life around by comitting one theft that wouldnt completely ruin a firm you wouldnt, and you would work at maccies for the rest of your life just existing?
You really are a tool
Why? Because i live by the notion that the law are rules for the stupid, and guidelines for the learned?
Seriously why are you even arguing with me, you know what i mean, you know the reasoning behind my points so stop stringing this out just so you have a reason to speak to me! 
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They got their comeuppance but i cant blame them for knocking off a retail outlet.
You dont know the circumstances behind them doing it, they could be from a broken home, living on a rough estate in a shithole house with no chance of a job and no real way out. Christmas round the corner and no prospects of money to give family any presents etc i can see the appeal. They might have had kids to provide for etc... and no one wants to see kids go without for xmas.
If i could pull off one job, get 20k out of it and use that money to go clean i would do it in a heartbeat. The business wont loose out on anything as they will just claim for stock losses on insurance and in this economic climate they are probably thankful for the insurance claim.
Get rich or die trying, its a dog eat dog world out there so i will not blame them for trying to get ahead.
you talk more shit than anyone on here
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They got their comeuppance but i cant blame them for knocking off a retail outlet.
You dont know the circumstances behind them doing it, they could be from a broken home, living on a rough estate in a shithole house with no chance of a job and no real way out. Christmas round the corner and no prospects of money to give family any presents etc i can see the appeal. They might have had kids to provide for etc... and no one wants to see kids go without for xmas.
If i could pull off one job, get 20k out of it and use that money to go clean i would do it in a heartbeat. The business wont loose out on anything as they will just claim for stock losses on insurance and in this economic climate they are probably thankful for the insurance claim.
Get rich or die trying, its a dog eat dog world out there so i will not blame them for trying to get ahead.
you talk more shit than anyone on here
and yes that includes doyle
And you obviously live with your head up your arse, far far away from the real world.
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but I can sympathise with Cosmo if he wants to denounce a £40k retail burglary.
If someone did that to me then they'd be better hit by a train than me getting my hands on them thats for sure.
Cosmo in thief reach-around shocker!?! 
Please dont go out and steal stuff in the hope I'll give you a reach around.
That would just be a bonus.
Tonight I am out on my quad bike busting into a bridal shop.
The thought of getting dressed up in a nice white outfit and the feel of some silky smalls rubbing on my rough 'Santas beard' bollocks gets me all hot.
The thought of being finished off by an angry scouser just pushes me over the ed...g....e....AHHHH.
Where are the kleenex?
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And you can honestly say, if you had the chance to turn your life around by comitting one theft that wouldnt completely ruin a firm you wouldnt, and you would work at maccies for the rest of your life just existing?
Actually i'd have the maccies job in the blink of an eye If I needed to do it & then take myself to a better place through hard work. Sure it will take longer but then there's less chance of prison or death.
Anyway enough about me, what's your excuse for being on the dole for most of the year......has the perfect crime, answer to all your woes not came through yet or what?
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I lost my licence end of dec last year so couldnt get a job in my line of work or anywhere else as i was over qualified. I worked in spain most of the year anyway for a KTM team so signed on when i was back in the uk. There are no perfect crime opportunities in lincoln, only selling drugs and its too easy to get caught doing that so didnt do it.
Now i part time at halfords building pushbikes to stop me eating into business momey before i go live in april. Is that ok for you?
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Root
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to all the people slagging them off, they could have been really desperate, just been made redundant and really need some money for christmas...people tend to rob more when christmas is approaching.
Anyway, the more than likely story is they're shithead chavs that are regular theives. Wouldn't say they deserved to die...but at least there's 2 less theives in this country.
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to all the people slagging them off, they could have been really desperate, just been made redundant and really need some money for christmas...people tend to rob more when christmas is approaching.
Anyway, the more than likely story is they're shithead chavs that are regular theives. Wouldn't say they deserved to die...but at least there's 2 less theives in this country.
The first part of that post I was about to label you as a complete bellend.
Then you made a cracking save on the second half of the post.
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I dont think people deserve to die if they steal. If they got hit by a train and somehow survived but lost their hands then thats fair in my opinion.
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