Cavey
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"You spoke of not knowing to what extremes you would have gone but for your arrest. It is
difficult to imagine anything much worse."
"the almost complete lack of remorse; in this last respect the evidence of the
phone conversations after the guilty pleas on the last occasion is enlightening.
There is one further matter of concern. One of the passwords you chose, which
needed the assistance of GCHQ to break was I FUK KIDZ. "
"I am satisfied that you are a deeply corrupting influence; you are
highly manipulative; you are a sexual predator; you are dangerous."
Yeah, it's a pretty horrible read. But I had to read it, and I have come to the conclusion that 2 of the 3 at least should be jailed for life and never released, the first woman wasn't quite as bad (if that counts for anything) But I think she should of got longer than 13 years (both women can be released in half of that still)
The women, obviously manipulated by Watkins did things to their own children, the children who rely on them to raise them, and love them  - They deserve longer sentences than they have recieved, but were deemed no danger in future
The worst bit is that they seem to think the children will have memories of it, and in future will be fucked up by it all, I was kind of hoping they would of been young enough to not remember a thing, and a foster family could raise them as their own none the wiser 
The other thing that horrifies me, is that these aren't the only people in the world doing these things, and i'm sure they wouldn't be the worst in the world, it's horrible to think there's people worse than this out there
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Gary
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Read half of it. I'm not sick enough to come up with a suitable punishment for the man. He's best off been chucked in a pit and buried alive so the affected families can move on.
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Gary
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Also. Kids won't remember anything, far too young, and hopefully never will.
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Cavey
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Also. Kids won't remember anything, far too young, and hopefully never will.
That was my thinking, but the psychologist seems to think they will, or they will learn about the abuses in the future and have to deal with it, also, one of the kids had traces of methamphetamine in her hair which means she had been subjected to it more than the supposed "only with Mr. Watkins"
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Ian
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Someone will still need to explain to them at some point why they were put in care.
If there's no recollection then that's going to be a big decision whether to ever tell them.
No mention of the childrens' fathers either, presumably given that they're not in court, they're not involved, therefore they're going to want some part in their child's life.
Can't see how you would keep it from them without lots of people being complicit in doing so.
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Thought it was shocking before I read the details. Now I don't know what to think. No words can describe how horrible what they did is. Really wish I didn't read it.
Good point aboutthe fathers Ian. Wonder where they stand in all of this. Wonder if they've had much of a part in the kids lives and whether they will be awarded full custody.
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No mention of the childrens' fathers either, presumably given that they're not in court, they're not involved, therefore they're going to want some part in their child's life.
I would guess the "fathers" have chosen not to have a part in their childrens lives, like so many "men" do.
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Cavey
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Unless Watkins was the father? Which has been hypothesised
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Cavey
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Tbf, the type of women they seem to be, the fathers might not of known they were fathers
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Really wish I didn't read it.
 you were warned!
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Gary
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Originally posted by Ian
Someone will still need to explain to them at some point why they were put in care.
If there's no recollection then that's going to be a big decision whether to ever tell them.
Can't see how you would keep it from them without lots of people being complicit in doing so.
Pretty sure 'the powers that be' can get them into care/adoption without anyone been told of who they are.
If they need to tell them about it, they don't need to mention that they are anything to do with the watkins case. Which would be the worst thing to happen to them. Imagine getting to 16 and finding out, quick search online and theres a document detailing what someone did to you as a child. That'll proper screw you up!
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Ian
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That's what I mean.
But to keep it from them is a similarly heavy decision.
You may be right, no doubt someone will make it, and the kids will never know. Although it'd need a great back-story. Imagine wondering about your past, having been told very little. People are curious.
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Gaz
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I'm pretty sure they'll be given brand new identities and by the time these scumbags can even see the brightness at the end of that tunnel the little'uns will be unrecognisable to them should they ever cross a street together.
As the media suggested, the case will continue to work out what, why and how this went so so unnoticed and was allowed to happen and as part of that, they will be able to sort these little innocent children out in a caring and loving family.
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Ian
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I'm suggesting the children themselves may in the future research their history. Whether they find out is down to the quality of the cover story. But they might search.
I know I would.
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Gaz
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Even if they researched their history, their mothers haven't been named in the case to protect the children. So they would have to be a very reliant on google and also filtering through all the speculation that occurs on websites.
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Marc
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Giving them a new identity and family will eradicate any chance of them finding all this out.
People do deserve to look in to their past, but a little white lie like this is a damn site better than finding out in your 40's that you were abused as a baby.
If you are never told you were adopted, were brought up by a loving family in my opinion there is nothing wrong with this and nothing to stop you tracing this family history. It will be the only history they have.
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Gaz
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Btw Ian, I'm not saying you are wrong. I'd research myself too. I just think that we must trust the courts have learnt their lessons from such cases as the bulger case where recently huge social media pressure jeopardised lives!
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Giving them a new identity and family will eradicate any chance of them finding all this out.
People do deserve to look in to their past, but a little white lie like this is a damn site better than finding out in your 40's that you were abused as a baby.
If you are never told you were adopted, were brought up by a loving family in my opinion there is nothing wrong with this and nothing to stop you tracing this family history. It will be the only history they have.
You'd work out you were adopted, new identity or not they cant change the fact you wont look anything like your adopted family. Then the questions will start.
Best to not lie about the fact your were adopted, just keep them away from the fact about who their mother was and what happened to them.
My bet is they will find out in the end though, sadly.
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Even if they researched their history, their mothers haven't been named in the case to protect the children. So they would have to be a very reliant on google and also filtering through all the speculation that occurs on websites.
Peaches Geldof named them on Twitter so presumably it isnt that hard to find the names.
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baza31
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Just read that . It's possibly worst thing I've ever read. Of course the children will never forget it . Physically their undeveloped body's will be damaged . After reading that his sentance isn't long or painfull enough . I hope he dies a very painful death
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Gaz
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Originally posted by Gaz
Even if they researched their history, their mothers haven't been named in the case to protect the children. So they would have to be a very reliant on google and also filtering through all the speculation that occurs on websites.
Peaches Geldof named them on Twitter so presumably it isnt that hard to find the names.
True but there are many years to irradicate them from the internet.
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Gary
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Physically their undeveloped body's will be damaged .
Any damage would heal fairly quickly i would have thought.
Provided nobody tells them anything they'll lead normal lives. (as normal as can be not knowing where you came from)
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Stopped reading that link after item 8, totally fucked up 
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RichR
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Originally posted by baza31
Physically their undeveloped body's will be damaged .
Any damage would heal fairly quickly i would have thought.
Provided nobody tells them anything they'll lead normal lives. (as normal as can be not knowing where you came from)
My mum specialises in child protection law and some of the cases she's dealt with are even more beyond comprehension than this one; 3 month old babies that will never walk and have lifelong colostomy bags because of shattered pelvises and irreparable internal damage. As a rule, she probably shouldn't talk about any of it but I would imagine that it would be impossible to do it as a day to day job and not be able to talk about it. Whilst she travels all over the country for this, it is especially bad to think that sometimes, she's working in a short driving distance of home meaning its right on everyone's doorsteps and rarely, if ever, gets media coverage in a bid to protect the children.
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Jesus Christ Lee. How does she cope? She must be a broken woman, encountering that level of evil.
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